In the mid 1950s, still during the early years of the Cold War, the M1 Garand was showing its age.

First adopted as the standard issue rifle of the US Military in 1936, the Garand was more technologically advanced than any other widely issued service rifle on the battlefield at the time. But then WWII came a long, leading to countless innovations in the field of small arms. After two decades in service, the M1 offered few advantages over the weapons being issued to rivals of the US.

M1 Garand
The very first widely issued semi-automatic rifle of the US Military was the M1 Garand, chambered in .30-06, also known at the time as simply “.30 caliber.”

After much debate, the controversial replacement for the M1 was finally announced in 1957, and it would be the Garand-inspired M14 rifle. Along with this change also came the end of the .30-06 Springfield as the US military’s primary rifle cartridge, first introduced in 1906 with the Springfield 1903 bolt action rifle. The M14 was chambered in the new 7.62×51 NATO cartridge, which shortly thereafter would be re-branded and introduced commercially as the nearly identical .308 Winchester.

The new .30 caliber round had a short-lived role as the standard cartridge issued to the American infantryman. After only five years, the M14 was ditched in favor of the M16 using the intermediate 5.56×45 NATO cartridge. Despite its metric counterpart being snubbed by the military, .308 Winchester meanwhile steadily gained popularity on the commercial market where it was frequently compared to the venerable .30-06.

A rivalry was born and ever since, competition shooters, hunters, and keyboard commandos from every corner of the country have argued over which cartridge is “better” in the great .308 Win vs 30-06 Springfield debate.

Similarities

.308 Win vs .30-06 Comparison

On the surface, .308 Win and .30-06 share many common traits. They both use bullets of identical .308 inch diameter in a weight range typically around 140-180 grains. Both are respected for their accuracy, moderate recoil, and impressive effective range (nominally 1000 yards, depending on who you ask). Either cartridge is suitable for hunting nearly any medium or large game on the North American continent, with the possible exception of some of the bigger bears. Military snipers continued to use rifles chambered in both .30-06 and 7.62×51 for decades after their respective service rifles were dropped from general issue. With so much in common, what actually distinguishes these cartridges?

Size

The most apparent distinction between the two is case length, which is nearly a half inch longer for the .30-06 than the .308 Win (2.48” versus 2.015”). This shorter case length is what the military was after when they were searching for a replacement for the .30-06. New and more efficient propellants that had been developed since the advent of the .30-06 in 1906 were able to push a bullet to the same velocities with a smaller case capacity. Shorter cases meant shorter bolts and actions for the rifles firing them, which in turn would mean  savings in weight and production costs. At least in theory.

Short Action vs. Long Action
On the left is the bolt from a Remington 700 short action chambered in .308. The bolt on the right belongs to .30-06 Remington 710 long action. Visually, the lengths of the two bolts seem very close, but the difference is noticeable when operating each action.

This difference is still evident in today’s bolt action rifles. Most major manufacturers of bolt actions offer several calibers, but only two different action sizes: long and short. Short actions are slightly more compact, lighter, and have shorter bolts, which can be quicker to operate. Long actions can accommodate larger cartridges at the expense of greater size and weight. The .308 Win cartridge is usually found in short actions, while the extra case length of the .30-06 requires a long action rifle.

Accuracy

In many ways, the .308 versus .30-06 revolves around the issue of accuracy. When .308 was first offered to the public, .30-06 was the dominant cartridge for marksmen and competitive rifle shooters. However, shooters quickly found that .308 offered a slight accuracy advantage, and the old “aught six” was de-throned as the favorite precision cartridge of the country’s top marksmen. In fact, the increase in accuracy was so significant that competition organizers eventually had to shrink the size of the standard bullseye in order to avoid ties between .308 shooters.

Since that time several decades ago, both .308 and .30-06 have been well surpassed by still more accurate cartridges that now dominate the precision shooting sports. But for us “Average Joe” shooters, the wide availability and (relative) lower cost of .308 and .30-06 keeps the debate raging.

Developments in cartridge technology have more or less leveled the playing field between the two cartridges, and today .30-06 loads are not so easily outshone by .308 as they were in the 60s. Comparing similar bullets from either cartridge fired in similar rifles, .30-06 may have a slight edge in terms of velocity, but .308 will have slightly less recoil. The difference in bullet drop between the two will be negligible.

Hardcore accuracy geeks will probably keep the race going for some time, but for all practical purposes, both cartridges are extremely accurate out to 600-800 yards with the right rifle in the hands of a skilled shooter.

Hunting

With similar bullet weights, similar trajectory, and next to no difference in accuracy, it would stand to reason that .308 and .30-06 are also equals for hunting game. Hunters’ opinions on the matter will usually come down to anecdotal evidence and a critique of the available factory hunting loads for the two calibers, but that, of course, only tells part of the story.

While it would seem that performance is very similar for factory ammo, the .30-06 still has a bit more case capacity than the .308. You’ll find plenty of hand loaders who swear by .30-06, because they can add more powder and load them a little hotter, giving a little extra punch over the .308. The success of these experimental loads, of course, depends on the rifle being able to handle these higher pressures and the hand loader knowing what he’s doing. But again, if we assume factory ammo and the shooting skill of the “average” hunter, distinguishing between the effectiveness of these two rounds is splitting hairs.

Rifle Selection

Looking at the selection of rifles available in these two calibers, its not hard to figure out that fans of .308 Win have far more to choose from than devotees of .30-06.

Because of its origins as the primary NATO cartridge for much of the 20th century, there have been many automatic and semi-automatic military rifles designed around the 7.62×51. As a result, there are a plethora of magazine-fed semi-auto derivatives of these rifles commercially available in .308 Win like the various clones and offspring of the HK G3,  FN FAL, M14, and of course, the AR-10.

Ruger SR762
AR-pattern rifles chambered in .308 have seen a recent surge in popularity, such as this SR762 from Ruger.

.30-06 was used almost exclusively by the US military, so If you want a semi-auto chambered in the older cartridge, you’re limited to the M1 Garand and a tiny handful of obscure commercial offerings. And although .30-06 once dominated the hunting rifle market, most of today’s bolt action rifle makers offer a wider selection of products chambered for .308 Win.

Ammo Selection

Ammo shopping tells a similar story. .30-06 is still one of the most readily available rifle calibers in the country, but most loads are designed for hunting with few choices for super accurate match ammo. Deserved or not, .308 has developed a stronger reputation as a well-rounded cartridge that’s great for hunting and precision shooting. As a result, you’re just as likely to find premium match ammo in .308 as you are to see .308 hunting loads that rival the .30-06 offerings. On the other hand, those interested in rifle cartridge hand loading may prefer the versatility offered by the additional case capacity of the .30-06.

The Verdict

I can’t really pretend to be unbiased here. I’m more a fan of .308, but purely because of the wider selection of rifles and factory ammo. When it comes to actually putting lead down range or in the field, I can’t think of anything I would do with a .308 that could not also be accomplished just as efficiently with a .30-06. So to anyone trying to choose between the two calibers, my advice would be to not worry about which caliber is more lethal or more accurate. Take a look at the practical and logistical factors, find the rifle you like in either caliber, and be confident that no matter which you choose, it will perform.


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61 Responses to “30 Caliber Throwdown: .308 Winchester versus .30-06”

  1. Sean Yunt

    I'm not an expert but this doesn't seem like the best article from you guys.

    .308 can be loaded almost as hot as 06 but in a smaller case. If for some reason you want hotter for large game etc. 06 might be slightly better as you can choose heavier bullets.

    I also think describing either round as "moderate recoil" deserves some context. Is your baseline .45-70 or .338win mag?

    I think a hunter, target shooter and self defense shooter won't necessarily draw the same conclusions.

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  2. John Delaney

    Weel done and presented. I have an M-14 or M1A (.308) as well as a 30.06 in Remington 700 bolt, plus a .270 in 700 Remingto Bolt. The reason I lean to the .308 is strictly because of the lighter and significant lower recoil

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  3. LG Chris

    Sorry you didn't like this one, Sean. It's meant more as an overview of the debate for those not familiar with why people like to argue over these two. Admittedly, more experienced rifle shooters will probably not find many new details here.

    As far as the recoil issue, it will of course vary widely depending on the specific rifle and load used, so "moderate" seems a good descriptor when broadly comparing them to any other common centerfire rifle cartridges.

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  4. Mick Wood

    Thanks. A fair explanation of the essential differences between the two calibers without getting so in-depth as to bore the non-enthusiast.

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  5. Jake Souders

    I totally agree. There's not really a nickles worth of difference between the two.

    One question. Where does the .308 is more accurate than .30'06 come from? Are we talking about the actual cartridge or the rifles available at the time that made the difference?

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  6. Michael Bustamante

    Pretty good article if ya ask me! Enjoyed it a lot.

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  7. Sean Yunt

    LG Chris Sorry if I was a bit blunt. I usually enjoy your content quite a lot and have become spoiled. Also, if you're wondering, you really can't get TOO technical. I personally love "myth buster" and similar type articles.

    Thanks for taking my criticism professionally.

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  8. Sean Yunt

    Assuming identical bullets, that could be loaded to identical velocities – and hypothetically similar enough barrels could be used – how could there by an accuracy difference/

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  9. Mark Graham

    Very nice considering i shoot 30.06

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  10. Shillelagh McHaggis

    With commercial loading for the 06 benefitting from powder development for other cartridges, the basic fact of more case capacity with said brand x powder is going to give a performance edge to the 06, while offering gains in the 308 as well. For instance Hornady produces thier Superperformance line of ammo and components. For the 30-06, 180 gr. Listing, velocities are averaging 50 – 100 fps slower than a factory 300 Win Mag. All while remaining safely inside the SAAMI spec pressure for the cartridge. This is achieved through powder formulation alone. Simply put, the 308 cannot compete and remain safely within its own specs. However, as pointed out, more rifle styles and brands are available in 308. So, the debate will never end until both fields are equal in every respect and true scientific testing can be done. Otherwise, apples to oranges.

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  11. Jake Souders

    Exactly Sean. We're talking same BC, same SD. If we're talking Garand Vs M1A ok, if this coincides with the development of 5R rifleing ok. For extremely long range the transition from supersonic to subsonic than the '06 is going to have the edge. If we're talking factory ammo then .308. Granted all this is a paper thin edge, but to say one cartridge is more accurate than the other (especially like you pointed out with the bullets having the same ballistic characteristics) is more a case of bow than arrow unless there's something I missed.

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  12. Wes Fuhrmann

    The 06 will be able to handle heavier grain rounds without losing a lot of velocity. Anything above 180grain attention should go to the 06

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  13. Rusty Dossman

    I don't have a dog in this contest but I do have my thoughts. Unless things have changed in the last dozen years, the availability of ammo would go to the.30-06. That comes from stopping in at any mom & pops little store in deer country & you will find .30-06 & 30-30 readily available if anything followed by 270 win. I think it's called supply & demand. When it comes to reloading them to identical velocities & bullet weights, yes you can load the 06 down & the 308 up to max & get the same end results. But when you stick the long 150, 165 or 180 grain bullet into the 308 case, there went powder capacity. A 308 case is the same capacity as a .243 case only necked up to take a .308 dia. bullet. I personally don't know very many people that hunt with a 308. I am in the minority at my age. The .30-06 is very widely in use by people my age & up. I look at peoples age & if they are mine & up I say you shoot a .30-06 don't you. Or ask what are you shooting? A lot of the time it comes back an 06. I did break down & buy a .30-06 back in late Oct before obama was supposedly elected the first time. It is unshot even though I put the base & rings on it but never have mounted the scope. I think it will stay that way until the kids take it over. still new. On the other hand, I can say without a doubt that I will never own a 308. That's kinda like women. There is someone for everyone. It's a matter of taste.

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  14. Michael Giffen

    For larger game, you can load the 06 with 200 grains. This is probably the biggest difference between the two.

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  15. Dave Williams

    Yeah but when ammo is scarce you can still find .30-06 anywhere. Not so with .308.

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  16. Peter Shutt

    That is why i own one of each.SIG Ssg 3000 .308 and savage 30-06. Both great weapons

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  17. David Shannon

    I would have to say that even in the ammo crunch, I could still find reasonably priced in both cartridges. It did not seem to flex in pricing as much, if at all. I have one of each, but in different capacities, so I look for bulk/belted/surplus in .308 and target loads in .06. I enjoyed the read, keep up the good work.

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  18. Kevin Gough

    I have often wondered the difference. Thank you. I enjoyed and found it informative.

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  19. Duke Fry

    I have both same same to me.

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  20. John Powers

    Good article – I found it was helpful in understanding and appreciating the two different rounds.

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  21. Michael Mezzanotte

    LG Chris – you always are informative and me being a pistol guy, I love the conversation you initiated as I find myself learning from that as well. Enjoy broadening the horizons into the long guns when and where I can – Thanks!

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  22. Jessie N Wayne Rowett

    There is only 50 fps difference; the 308 being slower. However, I took a 3X5 elk with one shot with the308 and one shot on a deer. Have done the same with an 06. I load both and can't complain about the performance of either.

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  23. Michael Nam Vet Zorn

    7.62 x 51 R what is it we know what a 7.62 x 51 is a 308 so we compare it to a 30 06 so let us look first at 7.62 x 51 R is the 30×30 Winchester The 7.62 x 51 NATO is a development of a shrunk 30 06 and an improved 300 Savage at 1000 yards the 06 has more down range velocity because it can start 190 gr bullet at almost equal speed but at 300 yards the lighter 308 is shedding velocity and most import impact knockdown in WW II they used them as anti aircraft hitting aircraft at 2000 yards.

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  24. Matt Albenze

    Woe be the critter down range of either! Like my 1903…never owned a .308, as i have no need. Good article.

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  25. Leo Almeida

    Thank You on a great article.

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  26. Jeff Aziz

    Love them both. Looking forward to building a heavy barrel 06 to load some of the amazing .30 cal bullets I have been running in both my match .308s and my sporter 06.

    An extra 4-6 grains of powder in that case makes a big difference in the 168s (Amax, SMK, Nolser and Hornady HPBT) that fall trans-sonic at ~ 800 yards here in Central Florida, at safe .308 velocities.

    As to chamber length making that much difference: it is a non factor.

    Great article as I love both. Both have admirable barrel life and that is another big concern for me. High speed .300s (Weatherby, Win Mag, Ultras, etc.) are awesome but the prospect of new barrels at 1200-1500 rounds bums me out! For hunting it's not an issue but I prefer to shoot long range and 1200 rounds is 3-4 range trips!

    Great work!

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  27. Bill Stahl

    Great article. Good verdict.

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  28. Jeff Hodge

    I've shot both and find them pretty darn close in performance as this article described. I like the fact that 308 is more widely found in most stores (not county the corner mom and pops). In the case of the zombie apocalypse (not a believer), the 308 is found world wide, not so with the 06.

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  29. Mike Strojny

    case size and burn…220 swift hot at 4100 fps, and not as accurate as when loaded to 3800 fps. same bullet as 22-250. 22-250 was more accurate. powder selection to fill the case and get the velocity and accuracy desired is important. every bullet weight/profile, barrel length,powder type will show a change in accuracy.

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  30. Anthony Foulke

    I hand load both but for different applications. My 06 is for hunting out of my 700 rem and .308 for my AR10. One huge difference, my 8 year old can shoot the .308 by the 06 has to much recoil. Of course this is apples to oranges with these 2 platforms. Good read!

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  31. Jeff Broughton

    Great information. Thanks.

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  32. Raymond Wright Jr.

    I like both cartridges, and with the A-max 178 gr it is a fantastic round, both. thanks for the article.

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  33. Geary McCleery

    I enjoyed the article and would like to see one debating the M14 vs the M16. Personally I prefer the M14 even with the extra weight – carried one in Vietnam.

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  34. Layne Uyeno

    One of the interesting things I noticed during the ammo shortage and the local chain gun store's shelves were bare…except for .30-06 & .44 magnum which they had plenty of. Same went for the guns that shot them.

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  35. Eric Nakamura

    Great explanation…I love both cartridges…

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  36. James R Hood

    You cannot go wrong with either caliber. Personally I like the .308, but in territory with black bears I would like the slight edge of the 30-06 better, not that the right .308 bullet in a well place shot would not do, but I would feel more confident about doing the same with the 30-06.

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  37. Johnnie M Rodriguez

    Sorry, I love 7.62 NATO/.308, but everyone on this planet that has lived long enough know the reason we adopted the .308, and that was the fact it cycled faster in a light machine gun,period. All the this and that about the M1 and it's inability to hold more than 8 rounds is b.s., we had a large capacity.06 offered to us, the BM-59 and turned it down.

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  38. Rusty Dossman

    Let me put this on another level then. Does the same logic go for the 12 & 20 gauge shotguns? Both are shotguns & both shoot. Both loads would be too much to handle with a standard catcher's mitt. I heard it said by people that used shotguns for more than dust collectors, anything the 20 can do, the 12 can do better. I still won't own a 308.

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  39. Leo Ryan

    The logistics of personally carrying ammunition on your person to me is the defining factor in this argument, I do own weapons in both calibers and they both give wonderful service.

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  40. Paul Dragotto

    I HAVE A MAC 90 AK, CHINA MADE. IN CALIFORNIA IT'S ON THE BAN LIST TO OWN. SO IT'S IN THE WALL. I BOUGHT A SAIGIN 7.62X39 AND REGREAT IT. I COULD HAVE GOTTEN THE 308 FOR A FEW 20.00 BILLS MORE. IT GOT DRESSSED UP INTO A ZOMBIE RIFLE. JUST IN CA YOU HAVE HAVE A BULLET BUTTON. TAKE A TOOL TO RELEASE THE MAG. WISH I BOUGHT THE 308.

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  41. Paul Dragotto

    I HAVE A MAC 90 AK, CHINA MADE. IN CALIFORNIA IT'S ON THE BAN LIST TO OWN. SO IT'S IN THE WALL. I BOUGHT A SAIGIN 7.62X39 AND REGREAT IT. I COULD HAVE GOTTEN THE 308 FOR A FEW 20.00 BILLS MORE. IT GOT DRESSSED UP INTO A ZOMBIE RIFLE. JUST IN CA YOU HAVE HAVE A BULLET BUTTON. TAKE A TOOL TO RELEASE THE MAG. WISH I BOUGHT THE 308.

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  42. Paul Dragotto

    RELOADED AMMO FOR 25 YEARS . EVERY CALIBER YOU COULD THINK OF. YOU PUSH A 308 TO IT'S MAX YOU WILL LOOSE ACCURACY. SAME WITH 30-06. IF YOU LIKE 308 STICK TO FACTORY AMMO. SAME WITH THE -06. WHY TRY AND OUT PERFORM A 308 TO THE 30-06. I ALWAYS LOADED RIFLE AMMO CLOSE TO FACTORY AMMO. EVERY TIME YOU USE A DIFFERANT BATCH YOU HAVE TO RE-DIAL IN YOUR SCOPE.

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  43. Paul Dragotto

    RELOADED AMMO FOR 25 YEARS . EVERY CALIBER YOU COULD THINK OF. YOU PUSH A 308 TO IT'S MAX YOU WILL LOOSE ACCURACY. SAME WITH 30-06. IF YOU LIKE 308 STICK TO FACTORY AMMO. SAME WITH THE -06. WHY TRY AND OUT PERFORM A 308 TO THE 30-06. I ALWAYS LOADED RIFLE AMMO CLOSE TO FACTORY AMMO. EVERY TIME YOU USE A DIFFERANT BATCH YOU HAVE TO RE-DIAL IN YOUR SCOPE.

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  44. Paul Dragotto

    IN YOUR NECK OF THE WOODS IT'S A COMMON ROUND. IN THE WEST THE M1A (SEMI AUTO M14) IN 308 IS A POPULAR ROUND FOR HUNTING DEER AND BEAR. THE REMINGTON MODEL 700 IN 308 IS USED BY LAW ENFORCEMENT SNIPERS. WHY BECAUSE YOU CAN GET BETTER ACCURACY FROM A 308 THAN A 30-06. OUT TO 500 YARDS. SOME LIKE TEA, OTHERS LIKE COFFEE.

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  45. Paul Dragotto

    ARMY RANGER RECON, 1969-1971. LOVED MY M14. HATED THAT MATELL M16/ ENED UP BEING ISSUED A M60.308. WISH I COULD FIND THE SEMI AUTO M1A.

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  46. Rusty Dossman

    Paul Dragotto I'm sorry but have been hunting somewhere close to out west & have not found the 308 to be widely used to hunt (Co & NM). I am going again this year & will pay closer attention to rifle cal in use. Just know that I hunt different than you probably. I hunted in west Tex in the canyons beside all kinds of people in the old American Sportsman Club in the 1980"s until it went broke. I stood shoulder to shoulder with many people looking at deer & hearing them ask me if I could hit them for them. They said they could not hit them that far off. I never failed to let my rifle do it job & not mess it up. True law enforcement uses the 308 but there are reasons for that decision you fail to see such as a limited target distance so damage behind the intended target is not the result. Why are AR 15's in 223 carried by most in a swat team. Most people I see trying to use the 308 come from a military back ground & got their preference there. I don't see the numbers personally in the real world in my travels. Also the 10 mm was adopted by many police departments & they had to back down to the 40 S&W or even they are going back to the 9 mm today. Reason being the tough police guys can't handle the 10 mm. My Speer reloading manual has 5 pages of data for the 308 but it has 9 for the 30-06. There are people that use the 308 but as I stated I don't have a dog in this fight but I won't EVER own a 308 personally.

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  47. Steve Allen

    Top notch article and spot on ! :-)

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  48. Family and Home defense

    While the .308 “had a short-lived role as the standard cartridge issued to the American infantryman” and” the M14 was ditched in favor of the M16 using the intermediate 5.56 NATO cartridge”, the 7.62 NATO round was never “snubbed” by the U.S. Military. It was used in the M-60 and M-240 series machine guns, both of which are still in use by the Marines and Army. As well as the M-24 and M-40 sniper rifles. While the .300 Win Mag and .338 Lapua have taken over bolt action sniper rifles, the .308 NATO is still the caliber for Semi-Auto sniper rifles like the SR-25 and the newer versions of that rifle that are being fielded. The Special Operations Combat Assault Rifle-Heavy (SCAR-H) is also chambered in 7.62 NATO(.308).

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  49. Gary Ivy

    interesting article.

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  50. Brian Kloosterman

    Thank you for explaining the basics. The factor that concerns me the most is if or when the next ammo shortage occurs….which will be more available? The recoil issue doesn't bother me……I was told the mosin nagants and lee enfields kick like a mule….I did not find either unmanageable.

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  51. Kevin VanConant

    Paul Dragotto With technology now days you can dial in your reloaded ammo and stay spot on with your loads. I sighted in with some 150 gr projectiles and shooting 3 different loaded rounds I stayed spot on.
    I used loads from my friends reloading compared to my reloading I kept 1/2" groups.
    His powder is about 2 years old and mine is just a few weeks old but had the exact same shot.
    I like my rounds hotter then factory for more punch. I have yet to have a deer even attempt to run with a hand reloaded round.
    I do agree if you max out your loads on either a .308 or 30-06 you will loose accuracy. But the 30-06 you can go a good bit hotter than the .308 before loosing accuracy.
    With a properly reloaded 30-06 you can reach over 3500 fps and a .308 at best you are going 2800 fps.
    With an extra 700 fps on the 30-06 you can reach out further with more accuracy.

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  52. Kevin VanConant

    Paul Dragotto A lot of officers use .308 because they don't need to reach out as far and they want the bullet to have a chance to stop in the person and not pass through.
    A 30-06 will easily pass through someone if they have to snipe someone within a few hundred yards. Where as the .308 will have a better chance to stop inside someone rather then go through them.
    I would prefer a hollow point with a 30-06 to stop someone 500 yards and below. 500-800 yards I would rather a ballistic tip in 30-06, and 800+ I would rather a FMJ in 30-06.
    They don't snipe with .308 because of accuracy because they run a smaller risk of going through and through with a .308.

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  53. Kevin VanConant

    Maybe back years ago the 30-06 wasn't found all over the world but every country has the 30-06 now a days. It's still one of the most widely used guns out there. It is still the #1 pick over all in the USA as a hunting rifle.

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  54. Paul Dragotto

    Rusty Dossman a lot of differant comments. i used the m14 in vietnam. i was an army ranger, recon. i will agree a 30-06 will travel farther than a 308, but the 308 is a good all around great round. it's accrate and it's my choice. i had a 700 in 30-06 and did not like the bolt action. never have liked a bolt action rifle. SHOT PLACEMENT. AND WHO IS GOING TO SHOOT A DEER MORE THAN A100 YARDS AWAY. WHEN I USE TO HUNT DEER I GOT AS CLOSE AS 50 YARDS OR CLOSER. YOU GOT TO HAVE THE NINJA IN YOU.

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  55. Rusty Dossman

    Paul Dragotto. If you get within 50 yards of deer then a 308 is way more than enough gun to kill a deer. If you got tha ninja in you then put the challenge in it & go way smaller if your skills allow. Mine do. I use from 223 to 300 weatherby with many in between. None of which is or ever will be a rifle chambered in 308 win. I was in the Walmart in Santa Fe NM last week & did a test on available ammo cal. I found the normal ammo I expected to find in a hunting store out west. Funny thing I could not find any 308. They did have it but it was put off to the side & not easily to be seen. I had to ask a clerk if they had any. Military??? I have been around plenty of them. You don't want to open that can of worms. Let me rephrase it again. I ain't got a 308 & ain't gonna have one either. Plain & simple.

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  56. Kevin VanConant

    Paul Dragotto I like both rounds myself as well but I like the power that comes from the 30-06.
    I've shot deer around 200 yds before. Most deer around us are skiddish so I always go for the longer shots. Deer around us spook at 80-100 yds. I know one deer I took was right at 220 yds.

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  57. Rusty Dossman

    Sometimes it's like talking to a brick wall but at least I tried to be informative. I was in the Academy sporting goods store tonight in Waco Tx. They sell ammo. I looked & was able to find some 308 ammo. I found two places on the shelves for it. 12 20 round boxes in one spot & a few more than that in the other. Total I about 30 boxes of 308. Rows were full with n empty spots (deer season is about to start soon here). I then looked for 30-06 ammo. It was easy to find but hard to count. There was between 125 & 130 20 round boxed. There was numerous rows that weren't full indicating that several boxes had already been sold & I couldn't count them. Academy stocks what they think has a chance of selling & not worrying about someone"s ego & making them feel warm & fuzzy without much real world experience. I too get close to deer as I proved again on 10/15/14. I was within 8-9 yards of 2 bucks. I didn't have a rifle but only my new compound bow. Both were legal to harvest. I could have killed them easier with my crossbow but chose to put more of a challenge in it while hunting with 2 really bad shoulders. Shooting right handed with a 2 inch diameter right collar bone. Some only can talk it, I do it. Again I don't have a 308 & never will. I have a 30-06 but don't plan to ever use it. This is no debate. Facts are facts on the retail shelves.

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  58. Matt Jackson

    Nice, fair article. You don't see too many these days… Especially when two different rounds are compared.

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  59. John MacKenzie

    I'm with Rusty Dossman. I o[ted for the -06 because I could buy it anywhere at the time. I use my weapon for hunting and there is another significant reason I opted for it. The -06 was available in something like 27 different configuration. I could carry a clip with 150 grain, another clip with 180's and a third clip with 220's. The chosen round would depend on whether I came across a bear, a deer or a moose, how far out it was and if applicable, how heavy the brush was. Many more options.

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  60. Sam Horton

    I used to be a primary 06 person but just recently purchased a Mossberg MVP in 308/7.62. I really like the 308 now! The main reason would be that I am getting older (65) and there is definitely less recoil. Also the MVP was offered in a 6 position adjustable stock which I can adjust perfectly. (I have fairly short arms!) I will still keep my 06 but now I have 2 favorite calibers! By the way! The accuracy of the MVP was awesome!

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