In this second post of our mini-series on pistol caliber carbines, I’ll try to explain my fascination with these guns; a class of rifle that seem to be kind of okay at a lot of things but not particularly great at anything. I mentioned briefly in the last post that for me, one of the most attractive things about these rifles is how practical they are to own and shoot, both from a financial point of view and as a matter of convenience.
Let’s not pretend these carbines are something they’re not: shot for shot, a 9mm, or even .357 magnum or .45ACP fired from any barrel, rifle or pistol, simply cannot compete with the effectiveness of any true rifle round when it comes to personal protection. No one should purchase a PCC thinking it’s “just as good” as an AR or AK as a tool for personal protection. However, self-defense experts who know a whole lot more than me about trading bullets with bad guys are often heard repeating the mantra that “shot placement is king” or the similar variation, “only hits count”.
If the convenience and lower cost of shooting handgun ammo in a PCC allows you significantly more time in practice and training versus what you’d be able to manage if you were buying centerfire rifle ammo, then gaining that extra proficiency may very well be worth a lot more than the theoretical “stopping power” you lose with a weaker caliber. If you use that extra trigger time wisely to increase your level of competency with the rifle, you just might become an expert marksman with your PCC where you might only be able to train enough to become marginally adequate with your full power centerfire rifle.
Some will argue that a true centerfire rifle paired with a .22 LR for practice is a better option than a PCC, and still economical. Rimfire rifles are often very inexpensive, and the ammo is by far the most affordable per round. But shooting pistol ammo instead, even in training, carries the benefit of having some felt recoil where the .22 LR has almost none. This may not seem like an advantage when working with a first time shooter who benefits the most from the lack of recoil in the 22. But for more experienced shooters, the PCC offers enough of a kick that one still has to learn the skill of recoil management, which is not possible on a 22. For pure marksmanship skill building on a static range with no time restriction, it makes more sense to use the 22. Learning effective use of the rifle for self-defense, on the other hand, requires practicing with a gun that barks back a little bit, and a PCC fits the bill just fine.
One final note on the convenience factor, because someone is sure to point it out if I don’t; PCCs also sometimes carry the benefit of sharing magazines with a pistol you may already own. Carbines that use Glock, Beretta, 1911, or older S&W autos are relatively easy to come by. It’s both convenient and frugal to buy a rifle when you already own a drawer full of mags to feed it. However, this handy feature of PCCs is sometimes assumed to come with some kind of major tactical benefit. Let’s be honest; in what scenario would having common mags between rifle and pistol completely trump the advantage of being armed with a significantly more capable rifle?
In fact, there is no solitary factor that would make the PCC a better choice for someone choosing between a PCC and a full power semi-auto rifle. Like I said, they aren’t great at any one thing, so there’s not a singular attribute makes them stand out. But the PCC as a concept has a few other perks that I have yet to mention, including a couple of the best ones. Come back tomorrow for details. For now, let us know in the comments if you’ve ever owned a pistol caliber carbine and what you think of it. Is it convenient and economical, or just taking up room in your safe and playing second fiddle to a “real” rifle that you shoot more often?
Have had an Olympic Arms K-10 on order forever, to match up with my Colt Delta Gold Cup and Glock 20. Have just about given up on Olympic, and will cancel the order and order a Mech-Tech CCU in 10 mm next week. It will work with my g-20 magazines (I have 25 of them). I have a Colt AR in 5.56, and a FNAR in .308, but have always wanted to get a common platform with the hard hitting 10 mm round. Very affordable price from Mech-Tech, several options available for configuration, and owners seem to love them.Will post later in the month when I get and test one
I have had a 357 mag/38 spcl SAA handgun 5" brl, a colt 38 spcl/357 mag 4" brl and a 38 spcl/357 mag lever action carbine. All were a pleasure to shoot and the carbine was a great training tool for my 30-30 deer rifle.
Have had an Olympic Arms K-10 on order forever, to match up with my Colt Delta Gold Cup and Glock 20. Have just about given up on Olympic, and will cancel the order and order a Mech-Tech CCU in 10 mm next week. It will work with my g-20 magazines (I have 25 of them). I have a Colt AR in 5.56, and a FNAR in .308, but have always wanted to get a common platform with the hard hitting 10 mm round. Very affordable price from Mech-Tech, several options available for configuration, and owners seem to love them.Will post later in the month when I get and test one
I have a Mech-Tech in .45 ACP for 1911 frames. It’s ok, but I wouldn’t buy one again. It is extremely heavy (I have one with the quad rail) and that makes it less fun to shoot. I also have some jamming on extraction that is annoying. Also, I can’t find a local gun dealer that will take it in trade.
Bring more of them on the market! I have a Rossi .410/.45LC and of course a Judge. If out of one caliber the easier it is to still use the gun.
I have had a 357 mag/38 spcl SAA handgun 5″ brl, a colt 38 spcl/357 mag 4″ brl and a 38 spcl/357 mag lever action carbine. All were a pleasure to shoot and the carbine was a great training tool for my 30-30 deer rifle.
I have a few PCC guns and I find them a lot of fun. I too, started with a .30 Carbine and had a blast with it. A Ruger Model 44 Carbine was next. Since then I've bought an H&K USC 45 Carbine and a Kel-Tec Sub 2000 9mm (paid dearly for it). Most recently, a FNH PS-90 is my favorite. Another benefit is I'm allowed to shoot PCC's at my local indoor range where normal center fire rifles are not allowed. This equates to year round fun. They are all fun to shoot for all ages.
I have a Mech-Tech in .45 ACP for 1911 frames. It's ok, but I wouldn't buy one again. It is extremely heavy (I have one with the quad rail) and that makes it less fun to shoot. I also have some jamming on extraction that is annoying. Also, I can't find a local gun dealer that will take it in trade.
Bring more of them on the market! I have a Rossi .410/.45LC and of course a Judge. If out of one caliber the easier it is to still use the gun.
I have a few PCC guns and I find them a lot of fun. I too, started with a .30 Carbine and had a blast with it. A Ruger Model 44 Carbine was next. Since then I’ve bought an H&K USC 45 Carbine and a Kel-Tec Sub 2000 9mm (paid dearly for it). Most recently, a FNH PS-90 is my favorite. Another benefit is I’m allowed to shoot PCC’s at my local indoor range where normal center fire rifles are not allowed. This equates to year round fun. They are all fun to shoot for all ages.
To settle a debt owed me, several years ago I ended up with a brand new Winchester 1894 in .44 Magnum. Honestly, I'd have never considered one but it was this or nothing. Turns out it's a great companion to my Ruger Redhawk. .44 Mag from even a short rifle really goes 'thump' and it's a lot of fun to shoot. I've left it alone, still use the iron sights, a great gun overall.
To settle a debt owed me, several years ago I ended up with a brand new Winchester 1894 in .44 Magnum. Honestly, I’d have never considered one but it was this or nothing. Turns out it’s a great companion to my Ruger Redhawk. .44 Mag from even a short rifle really goes ‘thump’ and it’s a lot of fun to shoot. I’ve left it alone, still use the iron sights, a great gun overall.
There’s another training benefit from using a magazine-fed PCC, as opposed to a rimfire rifle. If you have a buddy load your practice magazines, he can randomly include a snap-cap or two. This will require you to practice your malfunction drills.