Melody shooting the el presidente drill

Start Shooting Better is back! This episode features one of the oldest fighting pistol drills in existence: the El Presidente drill. This is one of the tests Col. Jeff Cooper used to evaluate his students back in the early days of Gunsite Academy and it’s still a popular drill today.

Watch the video below for a full explanation and demonstration of the drill, or scroll down to read more!

Today we’re at the range with John Johnston from Citizens Defense Research. He’s also the host of Ballistic Radio. We’re doing another episode of our Start Shooting Better series and today we’re looking at an old favorite: the El Presidente shooting drill. It’s one of the oldest in the book.

El Presidente is one of Jeff Coopers’ most famous drills.

How To Run the El Presidente Drill

Start at 10 yards, facing away from the target with your hands in the surrender position. Three [IDPA or IPSC silhouette] targets that are a meter apart. On the beep, you turn, draw, put two on each target, reload, and then two on each target again. That’s a total of 12 rounds.

What we’re working here is multiple target transitions, reload under pressure, and also fast acquisition of the sights on an unknown target. Even though you know where it is, you still have to turn and orient to it.

Ever since El Presidente was first developed in the 1970s, the gold standard par time has been 10 seconds clean — that’s all 12 shots inside the 8-inch circle from concealment with everyday carry gear. Today, there are plenty of high-level shooters who can clean it from concealment in about 7 seconds. That said, 10 is still a very solid time.

Scoring El Presidente

Beyond shooting it clean, there have been several different methods for scoring El Pres and the speed at which you attempt to shoot the drill will probably change depending on what you decide the penalty is going to be for any misses.

Sometimes it is scored so that only clean runs count and any misses are an automatic failure.

For our demo runs today, we’re not going to be quite that strict. We’re going to use the old IDPA scoring system and add a half second to our time for every point down on the target.

We should also mention that we’re not using El Presidente as a tactical scenario. It’s not designed to teach a specific response to a violent encounter. This is technical drill to evaluate and work on specific marksmanship and gun handling skills. It’s really important to understand the difference between those two things.

So, we shot the El Pres today and, uhhh… yeah. It did not go well. We thought it might be a teachable moment, it’s also an opportunity for us to reiterate our policy here – that we don’t do any re-shoots on these. Whatever we do on our first run is what you see in the video above. As you can imagine — we don’t think it was our best.

John shooting the el presidente shooting drill

Results of the El Presidente Shooting Drill

John's El Presidente Shooting Drill results

Chris’ Run

I felt my run actually went okay. I had some really good reloads and I was pretty happy about that.

I was running a revolver on this one. Typically, the par time is about 10 seconds on this and usually, depending on who you ask, they’ll give you a couple of extra seconds if you’re running a revolver, which I didn’t know. So, I was trying to just get those rounds out and on both runs, I threw one in the -3 zone, which, for me, is just completely unacceptable. That’s not cool. That’s a clear miss.

The author running the el presidente drill

Drilling to Improve

One of the keys to this drill – or really any standardized drill for that matter – is that you need to be honest with yourself. If you’re not — if you’re not really hard on yourself and critical of your own performance, you’re never going to get any better.

Everybody messes up, everybody fails, and that’s normal. That’s actually part of improving. That’s why we’re doing the drill.

Chris shooting at targets doing the el presidente drill at the range

If you can’t be honest and say “hey, this is awful, here’s what I need to work on,” then you’re not going to get any better.

On this particular day at the range, we had another guest with us. Melody Lauer ran the El Presidente drill with us. Her score was not great either, but she didn’t offer any excuses, so maybe she’s the best shooter of all of us. She owned it.

Well, it was fun to do a drill that has something that none of us do very often. That’s the turn thing. I think that’s a good skill because chances are, you can’t guarantee you’re going to be facing the target and looking at what you’re going to be shooting right before you know you need to do it.

Putting yourself in novel situations and doing things that you are not comfortable doing is how you improve as a shooter. And if the only way you’re measuring your performance is off of drills that you get to pick, then what you end up doing is picking things that you’re good at all the time. That doesn’t force you to focus on the things that you’re bad at.

And while that’s a good plug for doing some kind of competition shooting. But if you don’t do that — if you’re busy working on the weekends like a lot of us are, doing something like this — just changing up your drills to something a little out of your comfort zone is another way to do it.

What’s a Solid Score?

Annette Evans shooting at the range with Lucky Gunner

Before we wrap this one up, we thought we should mention what a good El Presidente run looks like.

Our friend Annette Evans is a USPSA shooter and author of the book The Dry Fire Primer.

She was in town recently and shot an El Presidente for us with her Sig P320 competition rig. She ran it in 6.22 seconds with 4 C-zone hits. Using the USPSA scoring system, that is a 8.36 hit factor, which would be a solid A-class run. If you’ve got a range that allows it, figure out which scoring system makes the most sense for you. Then, try out the El Presidente. Let’s hope with a little practice, you score more closely to Annette than the rest of us!

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10 thoughts on “El Presidente Drill – Start Shooting Better Series

  1. Dammit guys. El Presidenté is shot from ten METERS with targets THREE METERS from edge to edge. Why everyone is pushing this weak sauce USPSA version as the “real” El Presidenté I do not know, but every time it is repeated the real El Presidenté falls more and more into obscurity. Which is wrong, since Col. Cooper actually had a point when he set the targets three meters apart.

    Other than that, a very nice video and article, as always. Great production values, clearly presented material.

    1. Yes, originally the targets were placed 3 meters apart and that does make the drill more challenging. I don’t know why it changed to 1 meter or 1 yard apart, but that has been the most common version of the drill for a very long time now. I believe they’re even running it that way at Gunsite these days. As far as 10 yards vs 10 meters… yards are just more common in the US and most shooters think in terms of feet and yards, not meters. I’ve never seen a range that has meter markings, but plenty that have yard lines.

      1. Really enjoy your blogs. Maybe the closer spacing came about because of range concerns? The wider spacing is spraying ammo over a lot wider arc, say 60 vs. 30 degree. This might pose safety problems, depending on range setup. I don’t think the wider spacing would increase time very much but penalty points might increase.
        As for Annettes run WOW! BUT, she wasn’t shooting with concealed weapon and magazine. Were the gold standard times set shooting concealed or open carry and how much of a difference do you think that makes in scoring?

        1. The wider spacing of targets absolutely makes a difference. The way you have to transition between targets changes a lot due to the wider dispersion of the targets.

  2. Great drill, gotta make some target stands that will take full profile targets. Something light yet very portable so I can take to my public range. PVC maybe?

  3. I use cut-outs of a degenerate, a mental midget and a ho mo se xu al for my El Presidente drills. That’s right, I use the images of Bill Clinton, GW Bush and Barrack Hussein Obama for target practice.

  4. love the drills. first time on your site. I will need to find a place to practice these drills. Aw-sum.

  5. Love your videos, Chris.

    I took Gunsite’s 250 class way back in 2001, where they had us shoot this drill a little differently. Consider staging your gun with six rounds so that it goes to slide lock after the first pass. It gives you an extra step to practice during your emergency reload (i.e., releasing the slide) before making your second pass.

    Keep up the good work.

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