{"id":11504,"date":"2023-07-20T12:35:19","date_gmt":"2023-07-20T16:35:19","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/?p=11504"},"modified":"2023-08-03T13:09:08","modified_gmt":"2023-08-03T17:09:08","slug":"pistol-size-confusion","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/pistol-size-confusion\/","title":{"rendered":"Crushing the Confusion About Pistol Sizes"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Pistol size categories are notoriously ambiguous. What&#8217;s the difference between a micro compact and a subcompact? We don&#8217;t know, and we&#8217;re pretty sure nobody else does either. But we do have some tips for how to evaluate a pistol&#8217;s size when you can&#8217;t handle it in person.<\/p> <p>Details are in the video below, or scroll down to read the full transcript.<\/p> <div class=\"entry-content-asset\"><script src=\"https:\/\/fast.wistia.com\/assets\/external\/E-v1.js\" async><\/script><\/p> <noscript class=\"idle-load\"><div class=\"wistia_responsive_padding\" style=\"padding:56.25% 0 28px 0;position:relative;\"> <div class=\"wistia_responsive_wrapper\" style=\"height:100%;left:0;position:absolute;top:0;width:100%;\"> <div class=\"wistia_embed wistia_async_a8o5oy2616 dnt=1 seo=false videoFoam=true\" style=\"height:100%;position:relative;width:100%\"> <div class=\"wistia_swatch\" style=\"height:100%;left:0;opacity:0;overflow:hidden;position:absolute;top:0;transition:opacity 200ms;width:100%;\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/fast.wistia.com\/embed\/medias\/a8o5oy2616\/swatch\" style=\"filter:blur(5px);height:100%;object-fit:contain;width:100%;\" alt=\"\" aria-hidden=\"true\" onload=\"this.parentNode.style.opacity=1;\" \/><\/div> <\/div> <\/div> <\/div><\/noscript> <\/div> <hr \/> <p>Hey everybody, I am Chris Baker from <a href=\"https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\">LuckyGunner.com<\/a> and today I\u2019m going to talk about handgun sizes. Specifically, I want to share some thoughts on how those sizes are categorized and then I\u2019ve got a few tips that might be helpful whenever you\u2019re evaluating a pistol\u2019s dimensions and you\u2019re not physically holding that gun in your hands.<\/p> <p>This is a topic I bring up fairly often and that\u2019s because size is important. A handgun\u2019s physical dimensions \u2013 its size, shape, and weight \u2013 largely determine how well it will fit our hands and whether we\u2019re likely to find it comfortable and concealable as a carry gun. The number of handgun models on the market has exploded in recent years. Even a well-stocked gun shop is unlikely to have a sample of every model you might want to look at. So we do a lot of our comparison shopping online.<\/p> <p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.handgunhero.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Handgun Hero<\/a> is an excellent resource for basic size comparisons. You can pick two handgun models and it\u2019ll show you correctly-scaled images side by side. That helps a lot, but you still have to take it with a grain of salt. Unfortunately, it\u2019s difficult to get a true sense of a handgun\u2019s overall size just from seeing it on a screen or reading the specifications.<\/p> <h3><strong>Pistol Size Categories<\/strong><\/h3> <p>This has all been made a lot more complicated by the way pistol sizes have evolved in the last decade or so. For a long time, most semi-autos were based on full size or duty size pistols, usually with a double stack magazine. A compact was basically a duty pistol with two or three quarters of an inch chopped off the slide and the grip. Shave off a little bit more and you get a subcompact. Smaller calibers got their own unique designs called pocket pistols.<\/p> <p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/pistol-lineup.jpg\" data-rel=\"lightbox-image-0\" data-rl_title=\"\" data-rl_caption=\"\" title=\"\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-11512\" src=\"https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/pistol-lineup.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1500\" height=\"382\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/pistol-lineup.jpg 1500w, https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/pistol-lineup-600x153.jpg 600w, https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/pistol-lineup-1024x261.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/pistol-lineup-768x196.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1500px) 100vw, 1500px\" \/><\/a><\/p> <p>There have always been exceptions and guns that blurred the lines between the categories, but things really started to change around 2011-2012. That\u2019s when the polymer single stack 9mm pistols like the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/smith-wesson-mp-shield-range-session\/\">Smith &amp; Wesson Shield<\/a> began to dominate the concealed carry market. It was nice to have all of these new options, but it did complicate our conversations about carry guns. We couldn\u2019t just say \u201ccompact\u201d and \u201csubcompact\u201d anymore. We had to specify \u201csingle stack\u201d or \u201cdouble stack.\u201d<\/p> <p>That wasn\u2019t really a problem until the 2017 release of the Sig P365. It was a bit smaller than most of the single stack nines, but it had a double stack \u2013 or more like a one and a half stack &#8212; magazine with higher ammo capacity. That started another industry trend with every gun company trying to figure out how to cram double digit capacity into guns the size of their old single stacks.<\/p> <p>We needed a name for this new category, and the one that seems to have stuck is \u201cmicro compact.\u201d What\u2019s the difference between micro compact and subcompact? Do the single stacks also count as micro compact? Nobody knows, and we\u2019re all just making this up as we go along.<\/p> <p>The latest evolution is exemplified in the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/the-sig-p365-xl-a-really-good-pistol\/\">Sig P365 XL<\/a>. A micro compact with a longer slide and grip, followed by the P365 XMacro with an even longer grip. A few other companies have jumped on board with larger versions of their micro compacts like the Springfield Hellcat Pro. I\u2019m not sure we have a name for these yet. I\u2019m going to go with &#8220;longslide micro compact.&#8221;<\/p> <h3>What Does &#8220;Compact&#8221; Even Mean?<\/h3> <p>But maybe we don\u2019t need a name for these because some of them are virtually the same size as the old style compact double stack pistols. And if you weren\u2019t confused already, this is where things really get weird.<\/p> <p>Why does Sig have the P365 XMacro and the P320 XCompact? On paper, they look like they would fill the same role, so how would you choose one over the other? Why does Smith &amp; Wesson have the Shield Plus 4-inch and the M&amp;P 4-inch Compact? Or how about the Springfield Hellcat Pro and the XD-M Elite Compact?<\/p> <p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/Sig-XMacro-vs-XCompact.jpg\" data-rel=\"lightbox-image-1\" data-rl_title=\"\" data-rl_caption=\"\" title=\"\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-11513\" src=\"https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/Sig-XMacro-vs-XCompact.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1200\" height=\"515\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/Sig-XMacro-vs-XCompact.jpg 1200w, https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/Sig-XMacro-vs-XCompact-600x258.jpg 600w, https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/Sig-XMacro-vs-XCompact-1024x439.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/Sig-XMacro-vs-XCompact-768x330.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1200px) 100vw, 1200px\" \/><\/a><\/p> <p>I don\u2019t think the gun companies planned it this way. They already had the compacts in their lineup. Then the micro compacts got popular but some people wanted them to be a little bigger. Now there\u2019s overlap.<\/p> <p>In any case, we\u2019ve got a ton of options now, and many of them, even when they come from the same manufacturer, appear to be roughly the same size. But a lot of these similarities are only superficial. So let\u2019s take a look at how we can spot some subtle but very important distinctions.<\/p> <h3>Beyond Basic Dimensions<\/h3> <p>We\u2019ll start with those two Sigs I just mentioned. At a glance, the most significant difference appears to be length. The XCompact is about four tenths of an inch longer. That\u2019s probably not going to make a huge difference in terms of comfort or concealability. What\u2019s going to be more noticeable is the overall bulk. To some extent, we can see that in the width measurement. The XCompact is two tenths of an inch wider. Another trick we\u2019ve used to visualize this in some of our past reviews is to overlay the two profiles and give them different colors.<\/p> <p>Look at the distance from the top of the slide to the bottom of the trigger guard. That is a significant difference. The XMacro has a much smaller footprint. A holster made for that gun will take up less room. That gives you more flexibility in where you place the gun on your waistband to find that concealment sweet spot.<\/p> <p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/xmacro-xcompact-overlay.jpg\" data-rel=\"lightbox-image-2\" data-rl_title=\"\" data-rl_caption=\"\" title=\"\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-11514\" src=\"https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/xmacro-xcompact-overlay.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1156\" height=\"832\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/xmacro-xcompact-overlay.jpg 1156w, https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/xmacro-xcompact-overlay-600x432.jpg 600w, https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/xmacro-xcompact-overlay-1024x737.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/xmacro-xcompact-overlay-768x553.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1156px) 100vw, 1156px\" \/><\/a><\/p> <p>Also take a look at the grip from front to back. Again, the XMacro is shorter in that dimension. That\u2019s less gun that has to be concealed by your cover garment. However, it also means less surface area for your hands, so the Compact might end up being easier to shoot, depending on your hand size.<\/p> <p>You can actually try the overlay trick yourself in Handgun Hero if you scroll down to where it says \u201ctabletop comparison\u201d and click the color palette switch. That\u2019ll give you a better sense of overall size.<\/p> <h3>Footprint, Width, and Bulk<\/h3> <p>I\u2019ve got another comparison to consider. After my review of the Beretta 80X, I got several requests to compare it to the Beretta PX4 Compact. That\u2019s not a comparison I would have thought of, but when I looked at the specs on Beretta\u2019s website, the two guns are within a tenth of an inch of each other in terms of height, length, and width.<\/p> <p>But while I was making these graphics, I actually discovered that Beretta\u2019s numbers are not quite right. Here\u2019s what I got when I measured these guns myself. The main issue was the height. Beretta lists the 80X as one tenth of an inch shorter than the PX4 Compact. With a magazine in both guns, the 80X is actually three tenths shorter. So that\u2019s another thing to keep in mind. The data you find online might not actually be correct.<\/p><p><\/p> <p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/80x-vs-px4-compact.jpg\" data-rel=\"lightbox-image-3\" data-rl_title=\"\" data-rl_caption=\"\" title=\"\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-11515\" src=\"https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/80x-vs-px4-compact.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1200\" height=\"518\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/80x-vs-px4-compact.jpg 1200w, https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/80x-vs-px4-compact-600x259.jpg 600w, https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/80x-vs-px4-compact-1024x442.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/80x-vs-px4-compact-768x332.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1200px) 100vw, 1200px\" \/><\/a><\/p> <p>If we do the overlay trick, we can see that the 80X has a smaller overall footprint. Even though it\u2019s based on a design from the 1970s, the footprint is similar to a modern longslide micro compact.<\/p> <p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/80x-vs-px4-overlay.jpg\" data-rel=\"lightbox-image-4\" data-rl_title=\"\" data-rl_caption=\"\" title=\"\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-11521\" src=\"https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/80x-vs-px4-overlay.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1156\" height=\"832\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/80x-vs-px4-overlay.jpg 1156w, https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/80x-vs-px4-overlay-600x432.jpg 600w, https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/80x-vs-px4-overlay-1024x737.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/80x-vs-px4-overlay-768x553.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1156px) 100vw, 1156px\" \/><\/a><\/p> <p>Beretta lists both the 80X and the PX4 Compact as 1.4 inches wide, but that\u2019s a little deceptive. That\u2019s the width at the safety\/decocking levers. The slide and the grip measure about 1.1 inches on both guns. But when you handle them in person, the 80X just doesn\u2019t feel as wide. It has much more variation in its contour. The PX4 is wide everywhere. The 80X tapers in at the center of the frame. It\u2019s got the open top slide. It\u2019s not just the footprint that\u2019s smaller, the 80X occupies less volume overall and that kind of thing is noticeable when you\u2019re carrying it every day for several hours.<\/p> <p>Or maybe it\u2019s not noticeable for you. All of this is pretty subjective.<\/p> <p>Let\u2019s look at one more comparison: the Glock 26 and 43 \u2013 an old-style double-stack sub-compact and a single stack nine (which is also a subcompact, or possibly a micro compact, depending on who you ask). The profiles here are functionally identical. They look like basically the same gun except that the 43 is a quarter inch thinner and holds four fewer rounds. But I wouldn\u2019t be quick to dismiss that quarter inch width reduction. When we\u2019re looking at width, a little bit makes a big difference.<\/p> <p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/glock-43-vs-26.jpg\" data-rel=\"lightbox-image-5\" data-rl_title=\"\" data-rl_caption=\"\" title=\"\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-11517\" src=\"https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/glock-43-vs-26.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1200\" height=\"520\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/glock-43-vs-26.jpg 1200w, https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/glock-43-vs-26-600x260.jpg 600w, https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/glock-43-vs-26-1024x444.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/glock-43-vs-26-768x333.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/glock-43-vs-26-360x157.jpg 360w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1200px) 100vw, 1200px\" \/><\/a><\/p> <p>If you grip these two guns, you can tell they\u2019re really night and day. Neither one of them are great, ergonomically speaking. I find the 43 to be a bit more difficult to control, but that\u2019s going to be highly reliant on hand shape. In a holster, the 43 pretty much disappears for me, but the 26 is really awkward to conceal because of the width to length ratio. You wouldn\u2019t necessarily guess any of that from looking at pictures online. Sometimes there\u2019s just no substitute for hands-on experience.<\/p> <p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/g26-g43-width.jpg\" data-rel=\"lightbox-image-6\" data-rl_title=\"\" data-rl_caption=\"\" title=\"\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-11518\" src=\"https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/g26-g43-width.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1158\" height=\"868\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/g26-g43-width.jpg 1158w, https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/g26-g43-width-600x450.jpg 600w, https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/g26-g43-width-1024x768.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/g26-g43-width-768x576.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1158px) 100vw, 1158px\" \/><\/a><\/p> <h3>You Have to Start Somewhere<\/h3> <p>Not too long ago, we had maybe a dozen or so decent options for reliable carry guns. You just had to pick something and figure out how to make it work, which is where we got the whole idea of \u201cdressing around the gun\u201d and other cliches that, I think, turned off a lot of people to the whole idea of concealed carry altogether.<\/p> <p>Today, we are really spoiled for choice. There is a handgun out there to suit just about every need or preference you can imagine. We\u2019ve gone from \u201cmake it work\u201d to having the luxury to choose what\u2019s optimal for our individual situation. But sometimes that can lead us to that whole problem of \u201canalysis paralysis.\u201d Hopefully, the stuff I talked about today will help you avoid that trap. Or maybe I actually made it harder to decide. I hope not.<\/p> <p>Either way, keep in mind, there are no perfect solutions and there are plenty of options that are probably good enough for you. Just pick something. Buy a high quality holster. Get out to the range and practice, and be sure to buy some ammo from us with lightning fast shipping at <a href=\"https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\">LuckyGunner.com<\/a>.<\/p> <p>&nbsp;<\/p> <\/p>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Pistol size categories are notoriously ambiguous. What&#8217;s the difference between a micro compact and a subcompact? 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