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For the past few months we’ve been using Wheel Gun Wednesdays<\/a> to explore issues related to self-defense revolvers and their viability in the modern world. A theme throughout the series has been whether revolvers offer any advantages to make up for their low ammo capacity. Up to this point, we’ve more or less assumed that being armed with only\u00a0five or six shots in a revolver is a bad thing when you could have double that or more in a comparably sized semi-auto. But is the lower ammo capacity really<\/em> a problem? After all, six shots is usually\u00a0enough to get the job done.<\/p>

Most of the time.<\/p>

At least that’s the impression you get from looking at the majority of defensive gun use stories.<\/p>

There are solid\u00a0reasons for some people to consider\u00a0a wheel gun over a bottom feeder for self-defense. But there are also some lousy reasons I’ve often heard\u00a0that sound less like arguments\u00a0in favor of revolvers and more like condemnation for anyone who is fool enough to think they need a semi-auto. It’s not uncommon to run across revolver apologists who insist that semi-autos are overkill or only for “spray and pray” shooting. After all, if you know how to use the gun, you shouldn’t need more than a couple of shots, right? The experience of others shows us that’s not always the case.<\/p>

But if you prefer revolvers for whatever reason, it can be tempting\u00a0to buy into illogical arguments like these because they validate choices we’ve already made. Unfortunately, believing myths that don’t match up to reality\u00a0has consequences. It can prevent us from confronting the uncomfortable downsides of carrying a gun with lower capacity, which in turn makes us less likely to train and plan\u00a0to overcome them.<\/p>

So here are three of the more popular myths about the low capacity of revolvers along with some real life examples that challenge their veracity, and practical advice for how to prepare for\u00a0these realities.<\/p>

Myth 1 – “Six is enough\u00a0if you know how to shoot”<\/b><\/h2>

Like most of these myths, this one has a kernel of truth to it. Almost everyone in the shooting world agrees\u00a0that shot placement is a key aspect of self-defense. This myth takes that to an extreme, declaring that shot placement is\u00a0all<\/em> that is needed. It’s a sentiment that’s expressed in different forms,\u00a0but I’m talking about any variation of the\u00a0idea that if one is a competent and accurate shooter, five or six rounds should\u00a0be more than enough to end any<\/em>\u00a0violent attack.<\/p>

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There are actually two myths here. The first is that a \u201cgood\u201d shooter will always be able to make a solid vital zone hit\u00a0with every shot fired in a gun fight. I don’t think that’s even remotely true, but I\u2019ll concede that point for now. Let\u2019s focus on the second part of the myth here — that six well placed shots will be enough to\u00a0stop any attack on an armed citizen.<\/p>

That might be\u00a0almost<\/em> true, but you’d have to ignore\u00a0the possibility of multiple attackers.\u00a0It is not at all uncommon for armed robberies or home invasions to involve two or more suspects working together. If you’re lucky, you’ll only have to shoot one of them before the others run. But then there’s what we call a “determined attacker” — the ones who refuse to back down.<\/p>

Reality<\/strong><\/h3>

Maybe you’re familiar with\u00a0the famous example of Lance Thomas<\/a>, a watchmaker in California who survived four shootouts in his shop between 1989 and 1991. In the second of these fights, Lance was attacked by three armed men. They started the fight by shooting Lance four times with a .25 ACP pistol. Lance returned fire with a Ruger Security-Six .357 magnum. He hit the first suspect with five out of six shots, dropping him. But the other two guys stuck around and kept shooting. Lance emptied\u00a0two more revolvers<\/em> before the fight was over, with a second suspect dead and the third retreating outside to a waiting getaway car.<\/p>

In total, Lance connected with 11 of the 17<\/span> shots he fired in that fight. By most gunfight standards, that could be considered phenomenal accuracy. And yet, if he only had those\u00a0first six shots, he would likely not have survived the encounter.\u00a0Accuracy is often the deciding factor in these incidents, but it’s not out of the realm of possibility that more than\u00a0a handful of rounds\u00a0will be necessary in addition<\/em> to accurate shooting.<\/p>

Practical Takeaway<\/strong><\/h3>

It’s no substitute for having more ammo at your disposal, but shot placement\u00a0is\u00a0<\/em>important, and it becomes progressively more important the fewer rounds you have in your gun. Being armed with a six shooter\u00a0in\u00a0the face of\u00a0multiple attackers, you can’t afford to empty the whole cylinder\u00a0into the “vital zone” of the first guy until he stops. Lance Thomas had the foresight to place\u00a0multiple revolvers\u00a0within arms reach of his workbench. If, like most people, you only carry a single handgun, you’ll need to train to get maximum effectiveness out of each and every round. Practice the Failure Drill<\/a> and master the double action trigger so you can reliably hit small targets with speed and precision.<\/p>

Myth 2 –\u00a0“Use a bigger bullet and you won’t need that many of them”<\/b><\/h2>

\u201cIt\u2019ll only take one shot if you use magnum ammo\u201d. Or a 45. Or 44. Fill in the blank with the caliber of your choice. Knowing that bad guys have an annoying habit of stubbornly shrugging off bullets from time to time, some people are convinced that the solution is not more bullets, but bigger ones.<\/p>

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We\u2019ll set aside for a moment the fact that magnum loads and big bore calibers are more difficult to shoot quickly and accurately under stress. Let\u2019s once again assume for the sake of argument that the hypothetical armed citizen always hits his\u00a0intended target in a timely manner. Surely a handful of slugs from the mighty [insert your favorite caliber] will stop any miscreant, no matter how determined. Right?<\/p>

Reality<\/strong><\/h3>

In a shootout with an armed bank robber<\/a>, Sergeant Timothy Gramins\u00a0fired 33 rounds of .45 ACP over the course of 56 seconds. Even with no drugs or alcohol in his system, the suspect was able to keep firing at the officer\u00a0after sustaining\u00a0six hits to vital organs in addition to 8 non-vital hits. It wasn’t until Gramins fired a\u00a0series of shots that struck the suspect’s head that he was taken out of the fight.<\/p>

This type of situation is not\u00a0typical of armed encounters involving\u00a0private citizens, but for our purposes\u00a0the moral of the story isn’t about the tactics used or overall number of shots fired, but the amount of damage the suspect was able to absorb. Half a dozen rounds from what is normally considered a “big caliber” hit some pretty important stuff inside this bad guy, but he was able to keep throwing bullets back at the cop.<\/p>

If you read about enough shootings, you’ll run across numerous odd\u00a0examples of people taking rounds\u00a0to the chest and face from all kinds of big bore handguns (as well as rifles, buckshot, and shotgun slugs) that don’t result in immediate incapacitation. It’s not that caliber is inconsequential, but bullets do weird and unpredictable things. And handgun bullets in particular can’t be counted on to do what you want them to do the first time, regardless of what number is etched on the headstamp.<\/p>

Practical Takeaway<\/strong><\/h3>

As with the previous example, shot placement is key, and to complement that goal you should\u00a0choose your self-defense ammo wisely. Rather than counting on big bore calibers and magnum loads, choose a load that allows you to control the gun effectively so you can get multiple hits in the same spot. For revolvers, my self-defense load of choice is .38 +P Speer Gold Dot Short Barrel<\/a>, which has moderate recoil and a respectable\u00a0track record for reliable penetration and expansion, but there are plenty of other viable options.\u00a0Give yourself the best possible chance of getting quick and accurate hits, even if that means using a smaller caliber or “less powerful” ammunition.<\/p>

Myth 3 –\u00a0“You can always just reload”<\/b><\/h2>

Just carry a speed loader or speed strip, and if\u00a0things really go South and the wheel gun goes “click” instead of “bang”, load up another six.<\/p>

That’s easier said than done. A few weeks ago, I covered some techniques for reloading a revolver<\/a>. If you watched the video, you may have noticed that all of the different reloading methods have multiple potential failure points. Reloading a revolver requires a great deal\u00a0of manual dexterity\u00a0and\u00a0well maintained equipment.\u00a0Even then, the most skilled of revolver shooters will spend\u00a0around 2.5 seconds getting\u00a0an empty revolver back into action. That’s a long time when bullets are flying your way.<\/p>

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Reality<\/strong><\/h3>

It may not be\u00a0impossible to reload a revolver during a gunfight, but you’ll have a tough time finding any examples of it happening in the real world. Tom Givens<\/a>, one of the most experienced and respected firearms instructors in the country, has been quoted as saying, “In 40 years I\u2019ve been doing this, I have never found a case where someone successfully reloaded a revolver in a close range gunfight.\u201d Since 90-95% of armed civilian\u00a0gun fights happen inside the “close range” of 7 yards, I’d say your chances of pulling off that revolver reload are slim to none.<\/p>

On the other hand, we have plenty of examples of botched revolver reload attempts under fire. To be fair, most of them occurred during police-involved shootings from the last century like the Newhall Massacre<\/a> and the 1986 FBI Miami Shootout<\/a> where the officers were not equipped with speed loaders. With good technique and modern loading devices, performing the revolver reload under stress today seems more feasible\u00a0than fumbling with a handful of lose cartridges from a dump pouch. But the fact remains that it’s a relatively slow process that’s easy to screw up.<\/p>

Practical Takeaway<\/strong><\/h3>

I’m not suggesting that\u00a0you shouldn’t attempt a\u00a0reload if you find yourself in the unfortunate position of holding an empty revolver while being shot at. But maybe that\u00a0shouldn’t be plan A. If you prefer revolvers but believe there is some likelihood of needing more ammo than what your cylinder can hold, you might want to consider carrying a second revolver as a backup gun.<\/p>

I don’t think he ever reloaded until after a firefight was over… When they ran one gun dry, they’d drop it and grab another.<\/p><\/blockquote>

That may sound like an extreme solution to some, but\u00a0it’s a proven strategy. In addition to the above example of Lance Thomas, if you carried a backup revolver you’d also be in good company with the late Jim Cirillo of the NYPD who probably survived more gunfights than any other cop\u00a0in the latter half of 20th century. In Tales of the Stakeout Squad<\/a><\/em>, Massad Ayoob relates that Cirillo did carry spare ammo in belt loops and speed loaders. However,\u00a0Ayoob\u00a0also says, “I don’t think he ever reloaded until after a firefight was over. He and his favorite partner, Bill Allard, both told me\u00a0that when they ran one gun dry, they’d drop it and grab another. It was from that that I coined the term ‘New York reload.'” At times, Cirillo would carry three six-shot revolvers and a Walther PPK while on duty (though it’s worth noting that he completely switched over to semi-autos of various calibers in his later years).<\/p>

Of course, hunting thieves and killers in the slums of\u00a0New York City in the 1970s comes with some job hazards that probably don’t apply to the average armed citizen. Nevertheless, we can see\u00a0a track record of success for the multi-gun approach whereas the historical\u00a0support for\u00a0success with a revolver reload is slim.<\/p>

I hope it’s clear that my goal isn’t\u00a0to discourage anyone from carrying a revolver if that’s the choice they’ve made, or that you’re for sure dead if you don’t carry some arbitrary number of rounds on you at all times.\u00a0What I am saying is that carrying a gun with a lower ammo capacity\u00a0does come with some risks, and you should understand those risks and make a calculated decision accordingly. And if you still find yourself scratching your head over the capacity issue, here’s a great article<\/a> on how to decide if you’re carrying “enough gun”. Whatever your carry gun of choice, train hard and keep your perspective grounded in reality, not rhetoric.<\/p> <\/p>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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