{"id":4269,"date":"2015-10-29T17:03:14","date_gmt":"2015-10-29T21:03:14","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/?p=4269"},"modified":"2015-11-09T15:03:04","modified_gmt":"2015-11-09T20:03:04","slug":"shotguns","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/shotguns\/","title":{"rendered":"I Used To Hate Shotguns But Now I Don’t"},"content":{"rendered":"

\"Defensive<\/a><\/p>

\u201cYou\u2019re standing in your bedroom doorway in your underwear in the middle of the night. At the end of a seven-yard hallway, an intruder is holding your son hostage with a knife to his throat. You have a shotgun or a pistol available. Which do you choose? Go!\u201d<\/p>

I\u2019m on the phone with a former handgun student and good friend. She made the mistake of answering my phone call, and I haven\u2019t even given her time to say hello. She makes a sound\u2014an exasperated laugh of surprise\u2014but she answers.<\/p>

\u201cPistol,\u201d she says.<\/p>

\u201cWhy?\u201d I ask.<\/p>

\u201cBecause it\u2019s what I\u2019ve had the most training on.\u201d<\/p>

Having been her instructor, I know exactly what kind of training she\u2019s had, and how much.<\/p>

I asked, \u201cAt that distance, with your current skill level, do you feel confident you could make that shot on demand with your handgun?\u201d<\/p>

She hesitates, then answers, \u201cNo.\u201d<\/p>

\u201cWould you take the shot at all?\u201d<\/p>

\u201cProbably not. No.\u201d<\/p>

\u201cWhat if I told you that, with less training, you could consistently and confidently make that shot with buckshot, from a shotgun?\u201d<\/p>

She scoffed, \u201cI\u2019d say, \u2018Show me.\u2019\u201d<\/p>

Where have all the shotguns gone?<\/strong><\/h3>

I understood her skepticism. Less than two months ago, I would have shared it.<\/p>

I had a tendency to turn my nose up at shotguns, feeling that they were a bit antiquated. I thought they were\u00a0too heavy, unwieldy, inaccurate, had\u00a0too much recoil, and not enough ammo\u00a0capacity. Let them fade away into history for all I cared.<\/p>

When encouraged by a fellow instructor to get shotgun training to make myself a more well-rounded instructor, I whined, \u201cI hate shotguns,\u201d and left it at that.<\/p>

Fate intervened, however, and I was given the opportunity to spend a day learning defensive shotguns with John Johnston<\/a>\u2014himself a recent convert to the way of the shotgun. He\u2019d recently taken a couple of shotgun classes and was going through some tests with a Wilson Combat custom Remington 870 and a Beretta 1301. He expressed an interest in getting me behind a shotgun due to my small size of 5\u20193\u201d and 97lbs. \u201cI have some theories about how you could handle a shotgun,” he said. “If a technique works for you, it will work for anyone.\u201d<\/p>

\"John<\/a>
John Johnston demonstrating pattern spread at long range.<\/figcaption><\/figure>

The comment barely registered with me until I was asked if I wanted to contribute to Lucky Gunner’s new series on shotguns<\/a>. The idea was almost laughable to me, and I shared it with Johnston. \u201cRemember when you said you wanted to get me behind a shotgun? Well, you\u2019re never going guess who they’ve asked to write about them.\u201d<\/p>

He didn\u2019t laugh. Instead, he made a phone call, and a week later I was on my way to the range with five 12 gauge shotguns and enough ammo to wage a small war, still slightly baffled at my ability to talk myself into some of the strangest predicaments.<\/p>

As a defensive handgun shooter and instructor, I had no interest in learning the sporting or hunting aspects of the shotgun. While I have nothing against sport shooting or hunting, I\u2019m far more interested in the use of firearms in the context of defense. Now, I was getting that chance.<\/p>

I was determined to welcome the experience and learn what I could.\u00a0Would\u00a0my bias be changed, or would I leave\u00a0still indifferent toward shotguns? I wanted to know what I didn\u2019t know (which I suspected was a lot), and give the shotgun a chance to win me over.<\/p>

Eight hours later, I walked away feeling a little guilty. I had been wrong\u2014so wrong. And now I wanted to go out and get myself a shotgun. I wanted to set it up, train with it, and put it beside my bed or my back door, or both, forever replacing my handgun as my primary home defense gun.<\/p>

To complete my experience, John put me in touch with Steve Fisher<\/a>, who is not only a delight to talk to but also one of the few remaining expert defensive shotgun instructors. We discussed some of the reasons shotguns are underutilized and misunderstood; namely, poor experiences, lack of training, folklore, and the rise of the carbine. \u00a0We also talked about what we can\u00a0be done to start turning these attitudes around.<\/p>

Fitting the Defensive Shotgun<\/strong><\/h3>

I remember the first time I fired\u00a0a shotgun. It was my father\u2019s double-barrel over\/under that sat in his bedroom for home defense. It was heavy. I was young. His advice was to hold it as tightly against my shoulder as possible, and were it not for his chest pressed against my back, my next view after I pulled the trigger would have been the blue sky. It left a good bruise and little desire to repeat the experience. Even as an adult with four shotguns in my safe, I couldn\u2019t remember the last time I purposely allowed any of them to see the light of day.<\/p>

\"5-shotguns\"<\/a>
“You must choose… but choose wisely.”<\/figcaption><\/figure>

Even among the biggest and strongest, it\u2019s no secret that the shotgun is a heavy-recoiling gun. Bruised shoulders and sore arms can leave the prospect of wielding a shotgun a daunting task. Lighter and less violent carbines and handguns just seem so much easier on the body, causing shotguns to be set aside.<\/p>

\u201cSure, a 12-gauge is a very violent gun to people who aren\u2019t willing or haven\u2019t been properly trained in its use,\u201d Fisher said. \u201cBut [that] can be mitigated with a few simple remedies\u2026 And it doesn\u2019t always have to be a 12-gauge.\u201d<\/p>

For women or men, upper body strength and mass can have an impact on their ability to control a shotgun.<\/p>

\u201cMost people\u2014even adult males\u2014would be well-suited by using a 20-gauge shotgun versus a 12,\u201d Fisher said. \u201cThe 12-gauge is known as an awesome man stopper, which is absolutely true, but even in a 20-gauge, 00 buckshot is still 00 buckshot.\u201d<\/p>

The smaller gauge helps to mitigate the recoil and aide in better control, allowing for more positive experiences. \u201cI have a 20-gauge shotgun lying around and I\u2019m 6\u20194\u201d, 300 pounds,\u201d said Fisher. \u201cThey are lightweight. They are more portable. They are easier to maneuver around than a larger, heavier 12-gauge on the same frame. The options are there to go from a 12-gauge to a 20-gauge with the same devastating effect that the 12-gauge has, with less punishment [to the shooter].\u201d<\/p>

It can also help to learn how to fit a shotgun to its intended user. None of the shotguns we shot during our range trip were actually set up for me, and John kept telling me that if they were, I would have had an even better experience. I asked Steve what’s involved in fitting a shotgun.<\/p>

\u201cFirst thing I would look at is the size of the shooter,\u201d he said, explaining that length of pull — the distance from the trigger to the rear of the stock — are commonly too long, even for larger individuals.<\/p>

\u201cPretty much every shotgun made, pump or semi-auto, that comes off the shelf outside of the Beretta 1301 — even the youth stock model guns that Remington or Mossberg sell — a lot of times, are still too long. The average length of pull should be about 12 \u00bd to 12 \u00be inches.<\/p>

\"Steve<\/a>
Steve “Yeti” Fisher<\/figcaption><\/figure>

Steve explained that the current average is about an inch to two inches longer than that. I asked him why the industry doesn\u2019t start cutting them back if they are too long.<\/p>

\u201cBecause they don\u2019t care. They sell millions of them, and most people are too ignorant to that fact,\u201d he said.<\/p>

When considering a setup for someone as petite as myself, Steve\u00a0said that after finding the shortest stock available, I would be best served sticking to the minimal legal barrel length. He also suggested I\u00a0stick with a standard magazine tube length versus an extended tube, in order to keep the gun from becoming too front heavy. The shorter tube\u00a0increases leverage and ability to maneuver the gun.<\/p>

Anticipating push back on lowering the shotgun’s already minimal capacity, Fisher explained, \u201cNothing says you have to have an eight-shot capacity gun. I haven\u2019t seen any factual data that has shown me where someone has used all eight rounds in that gun in a civilian engagement in their homes… If you do the research on the data you will find that it has probably been no more than a maximum of three rounds ever fired. Most times, two.\u201d<\/p>

Considering the number of pellets being launched with 00 (usually eight or nine pellets), #1 (15 pellets), or even #4 buckshot (approximately 24), one cannot claim three shots from a shotgun to be inadequate.<\/p>

The additional aspects of setting up a defensive shotgun were less about size and more about optimizing the firearm for use in\u00a0a defensive engagement; accessories\u00a0like a white light, a night-sight front bead or red dot, and some means to carry spare ammunition on the gun.<\/p>

\u201cI can always pick up a gun that\u2019s set up for you and use it,\u201d Fisher said, \u201cYou would not be able to pick up a gun that is necessarily set up for me and use it because the length of pull, but there are ways to teach that as well, but that\u2019s a training issue.\u201d<\/p>

Finding\u00a0a shotgun course<\/strong><\/h3>

One of the first things John pointed out to me when we got on the range was that I\u2019d been taught to shoulder the shotgun incorrectly. Despite every shotgun we had with us being too long for me, I was still able to run them well utilizing what is referred to as the \u201cpush\/pull\u201d technique. Gripping the forearm with my support hand, John told me to push that out toward the target while I pulled back with my firing hand. \u201cLike you\u2019re trying to pull it in half,\u201d he would say and I was amazed at how much more manageable the recoil became, even in such a heavy-recoiling gun.<\/p>

<\/p>

\"melody-shotgun-2\"<\/a>
Stock fit and proper stance are key components of controlling the recoil of a 12 gauge. The adjustable Magpul stock on this custom Remington 870 allows for a shorter length of pull than most other options.<\/figcaption><\/figure>

In addition to the push\/pull, John worked on my stance, ready positions, and basic maneuvers that made even the larger shotguns relatively easy to shoot, and I had a more pleasant time than I imagined I would. I preferred the semi-auto to the pump due to shoulder fatigue, but I left the range without any pain or bruising in my shoulder pocket. A vast improvement over my last time out with a shotgun.<\/p>

Before that range trip, shotgun training was something I\u2019d never considered. Worse, I wouldn\u2019t have even known where to look. A Google\u00a0search for my area resulted in a few hunting or sporting classes, but nothing for defense or tactics. I suspect my experience is not unique. Many others would find the same results searching in their own areas. There simply isn\u2019t a big demand for defensive\u00a0shotgun training, so\u00a0finding a quality class can be challenging.<\/p>

I asked Fisher what consumers should look for in a defensive shotgun instructor.<\/p>

\u201cLook at their course curriculum,\u201d he said. \u201cYou need to find someone who will help you choose and pattern a load of buckshot for your gun\u2026give you multiple reps of manipulations on the gun, [teach you] how to mitigate the recoil, and that\u2019s it.\u201d<\/p>

He cautioned against course descriptions that had people going out to 100 yards or doing slug change overs, or other fancy manipulations, because that\u2019s not what most people need. The majority of defensive shotguns are purchased\u00a0for defense of the home, where distances will be relatively close.<\/p>

Shotgun folklore and misconceptions<\/strong><\/h3>

Perhaps the reason there is a lack of demand for good shotgun training is because of the abundance of misinformation surrounding the shotgun, how it\u2019s used, its capabilities, limitations, and context.<\/p>

Within a single conversation over any gun store counter in America, you will hear advice ranging from, \u201cThey\u2019re easy. You don\u2019t even have to aim them,\u201d to \u201cThey\u2019re terrible! You\u2019ll kill everything in your house and the next house, too.\u201d<\/p>

I asked Steve if he thought these misconceptions were due to ignorance regarding the advances in ammunition, and he emphatically agreed.<\/p>

\u201cI think where that comes from is a lot of the misconceptions based on people\u2019s lack of knowledge or willingness to go out and actually pattern the gun and see what the gun will do with specific loads,\u201d Fisher said.<\/p>

He explained that, for years, buckshot was notorious for its inaccuracy because of the wide patterns it produced.<\/p>

\u201cToday\u2019s modern ammunition has given the shotgun the ability to be surgical to approximately 15 yards,\u201d he said.<\/p>

I suppressed my desire to interrupt him with quotes from Kill Bill<\/em>, allowing him to continue, \u201cWhen you take the average home distance encounter\u2026 the average is seven to ten yards, max. So, by having today\u2019s modern ammunition, it\u2019s not necessarily the hallway, street-sweeper gun that is going to throw a spread of 15 to 20 inches at fifteen yards.\u201d<\/p>

This was reflected in my own recent experience. To illustrate the accuracy potential of\u00a0buckshot, John had started our range session at 100 yards. Of the eight 00 pellets we sent down range, two of them hit the target. As we moved closer to the target, as far away as twenty-five yards we were getting all shots on the chest of a man-sized target, using Federal Tactical with the Flite Control wad<\/a>. At fifteen yards, we were able to make consistent hostage rescue shots without a single pellet deviating to the side of the target we determined to be our hostage. We tried to replicate that with our handguns on the other side of the target, and,\u00a0honestly,\u00a0our hostage may have not survived all of the shots we took.<\/p>

\"shotgun-target\"<\/a>
At a distance of seven yards the buckshot load left one ragged hole in the head box of the target. From 10 yards, the tight pattern at the top of the center circle wasn’t much larger. The shot started to spread when fired from 20 yards, leaving a wider group beneath the circle, but still well within the width of the silhouette target.<\/figcaption><\/figure>

To say my previous opinions about shotgun accuracy\u00a0were outdated\u00a0would be an understatement.<\/p>

Another myth that had been relayed to me\u00a0was that shotguns are\u00a0more difficult to manipulate than other self-defense tools. Due to my limited experience with them, I wasn\u2019t sure if this was true or not, but my time on the range with them did not seem to support\u00a0that idea. I asked Steve about it.<\/p>

\u201cNo. That\u2019s false,\u201d he said. \u201cIf you\u2019re running a pump, you press the trigger, you run the slide action bars to the rear, you follow it all the way forward, you do it very violently, very aggressively, the gun fires again. I won\u2019t say that\u2019s a difficult task.\u201d<\/p>

In case someone were to argue that point, Steve offered\u00a0an alternative.\u00a0\u201cWhen you look at a revolver or a handgun, you press a trigger repeatedly, the gun goes off,\u00a0so why not just get a semi-auto shotgun?\u201d<\/p>

Answering his own question, he went on to explain yet another\u00a0myth — that pump actions are\u00a0more reliable than autos. \u201cA lot of people used to spill that out as kind of a myth because pump guns were the most durable, reliable. You could hand-cycle them. They will feed any load you give them. So a lot of that, again, was based upon ammunition,\u201d Fisher said. Many of today’s semi-auto shotgun designs are not nearly as ammunition-sensitive as older models.<\/p>

Another commonly debated aspect of defensive shotguns is the classic problem of over-penetration. Some insist that buckshot easily penetrates through walls, meaning stray\u00a0pellets could potentially endanger innocent lives inside the home, or even in neighboring homes. An often-repeated workaround\u00a0is to load the home defense shotgun with less effective birdshot.\u00a0However, Fisher is not a fan of this solution. “Having fired a lot of shotgun rounds inside of houses and structures, birdshot will still pass through walls and have a degree of lethality. So does buckshot.\u201d<\/p>

Even taking the worst case scenario of a complete miss and penetration through the exterior wall of your own home, Steve explained that the pellets would most-likely no longer have the energy to penetrate the exterior of a neighboring building to make it to the interior.<\/p>

Steve relayed a test he performed in abandoned, but still-intact houses. \u201cI shot a round of 00 buck inside a house, average bedroom distance. [I] shot it into a wall. One pellet of 00 buck penetrated and the house next door\u2014basically a driveway width apart\u2014it hit the exterior window and cracked it but did not penetrate it.\u201d<\/p>

I circled back around to the potential for misses being more of a training issue, and Steve agreed. Finding good angles that would mitigate the risks of errant rounds causing damage is something to identify before the bad guy is standing in your hallway.<\/p>

Steve was quick to point out that advantageous positioning would be ideal, but it\u2019s not always possible. \u201cNothing in the gunfighting rule book says that you can\u2019t take a knee, shoot at an upward angle and blow the top of their head off through the base of their jaw. Nothing says you can\u2019t lower the shot angle, shoot then in the pelvic girdle, shoot them in the legs and take them down to a lower level, and then finish them off with another round. That\u2019s something you might not be able to do with a pistol, at least accuracy wise, for a lot of people. But with the sheer devastation of a shotgun you have bone-crushing ability to literally take away mobility.\u201d<\/p>

\"melody-shotgun-3\"<\/a>
The Beretta 1301 Tactical is an excellent starting point for those seeking a reliable semi-automatic home defense shotgun.<\/figcaption><\/figure>

\u201cSo, again, a training issue,\u201d says Steve, \u201cunderstanding angles of fire and setting up a home for home defense.\u201d<\/p>

I considered the two and three-inch patterns John and I got on the range at seven to ten yards. For a low-angle shot to the legs, that would still require significant accuracy. I mentioned that to Steve.<\/p>

\u201cYes!\u201d he said. \u201cThis is a problem that most people have with shotguns. Everybody wants that tight pattern. There is such a thing as too tight of a pattern on a house gun.\u201d This was particularly true when discussing the ability to hit moving targets while also moving.<\/p>

\u201cI look for a shot pattern that will give me approximately four inches to six inches of pattern at the maximum distance I perceive that my engagement will occur\u2026 The shotgun gets its power\u2014its control measure\u2014from the density of its pattern, from its spread.\u201d<\/p>

John Johnston didn\u2019t necessarily agree. He cited his desire to have as much precision as possible as his reason for choosing ammunition that produced far tighter patterns at those in-home distances than the four to six inches Steve likes to see. However, Johnston was quick to point out\u00a0that he’s “no Steve Fisher”, and that Fisher’s opinion should carry more weight than his own. No matter who you agree with, however, the shotgun and modern ammunition gives you the ability to have either precision or spread, provided you go out and actually test your shotgun and your load and know what it will do at your most likely engagement distances with your gun.<\/p>

The rise of the carbine and the case for the shotgun<\/strong><\/h3>

There was a time when a shotgun could be found in most police cruisers the country over. Over the past twenty years or so they\u2019ve slowly given way to a\u00a0lighter, higher-capacity, gentler-recoiling, and more accurate long gun; the 5.56 carbine.<\/p>

\u201cYou have a lot of guys coming out of law enforcement or current military backgrounds where all they ever knew was carbines,\u201d Steve told me. \u201cDepartments started taking shotguns out of use and starting going strictly to carbines. So it\u2019s kind of a natural progression.\u201d<\/p>

That doesn\u2019t necessarily make a carbine a poor choice for home defense. Steve was quick to defend the carbine, but he remained an advocate for the shotgun.<\/p>

\u201cWhen I have to fire and solve an equation immediately with the maximum amount of lethality that I can get\u00a0with one press of the trigger versus, say, three to five, why wouldn\u2019t I choose that which would give me less time in the fight, therefore increasing my chances of survivability?”<\/p>

\"melody-shotgun-1\"<\/a><\/p>

I remembered being impressed with that same principle on the range when, at 25 yards, Johnston asked me to draw my handgun and get a good hit on target. I drew and put one round, center mass in about two seconds.<\/p>

He handed me the Beretta 1301 and told me to do the same thing. In less time than it took me to draw and fire a 9mm I put eight .33 caliber pellets into the chest box of the target, and his point was made without much need for further explanation.<\/p>

Nothing but a shotgun can deliver\u00a0so\u00a0many projectiles that quickly and accurately.<\/p>

The Federal Flite Control shells\u00a0produced extreme accuracy at home defense distances, but if that\u2019s not what people want,\u00a0Steve recommended looking into three or four different types of ammunition, starting with Remington and Federal in 00, #1, or #4 buckshot. He recommended finding the best load that provides\u00a0the most consistent pattern at the maximum distance you expect to use the\u00a0shotgun. When you’ve identified a potential candidate,\u00a0he suggested trying out that load on a target that simulates a person standing sideways to determine\u00a0the consistency of multiple shot patterns on target. \u201cMultiple hit capability with more projectiles is really where the shotgun does its magic,\u201d he said, and I couldn\u2019t agree more.<\/p>

Spending actual time on a range with even the most minimal instruction was enough to show me just how wrong I was about shotguns and their capabilities. I learned so much about how to use them and work them and, even today, I shared with my husband that a 20 gauge (or maybe a 12) is somewhere in my future, probably in conjunction with a class with Steve Fisher or Tom Givens. Even without the benefit of a class, shotgun owners can still learn a lot about what their guns are capable of with some simple experimentation on the range with different loads.<\/p> <\/p>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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