{"id":7638,"date":"2019-06-27T20:03:18","date_gmt":"2019-06-28T00:03:18","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/?p=7638"},"modified":"2021-07-28T15:44:22","modified_gmt":"2021-07-28T19:44:22","slug":"pocket-pistols-vs-snub-nose-revolvers","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/pocket-pistols-vs-snub-nose-revolvers\/","title":{"rendered":"Pocket Pistols vs. Snub Nose Revolvers"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/category\/pocket-pistols\/\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone wp-image-7640 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/pocket-pistol-series-banner-16.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1200\" height=\"198\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/pocket-pistol-series-banner-16.jpg 1200w, https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/pocket-pistol-series-banner-16-600x99.jpg 600w, https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/pocket-pistol-series-banner-16-1024x169.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/pocket-pistol-series-banner-16-768x127.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/pocket-pistol-series-banner-16-350x58.jpg 350w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1200px) 100vw, 1200px\" \/><\/a><\/p> <p>How does a pint-sized semi-auto pea shooter stack up against a stumpy snubnose wheel gun? In Part 16 of our Pocket Pistol Series, we&#8217;re taking a hard look at when and why the average armed citizen might be better off with using one over the other for concealed carry. Check out the video below for the details, or just scroll on down to read the full transcript.<\/p> <div class=\"entry-content-asset\"><script src=\"https:\/\/fast.wistia.com\/assets\/external\/E-v1.js\" async><\/script><\/p> <noscript class=\"idle-load\"><div class=\"wistia_responsive_padding\" style=\"padding:56.25% 0 0 0;position:relative;\"> <div class=\"wistia_responsive_wrapper\" style=\"height:100%;left:0;position:absolute;top:0;width:100%;\"> <div class=\"wistia_embed wistia_async_kzwtesr3nf dnt=1 videoFoam=true\" style=\"height:100%;position:relative;width:100%\"> <div class=\"wistia_swatch\" style=\"height:100%;left:0;opacity:0;overflow:hidden;position:absolute;top:0;transition:opacity 200ms;width:100%;\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/fast.wistia.com\/embed\/medias\/kzwtesr3nf\/swatch\" style=\"filter:blur(5px);height:100%;object-fit:contain;width:100%;\" alt=\"\" aria-hidden=\"true\" onload=\"this.parentNode.style.opacity=1;\" \/><\/div> <\/div> <\/div> <\/div><\/noscript> <\/div> <hr \/> <p>Our <a href=\"https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/category\/pocket-pistols\/\">Pocket Pistol Series<\/a> has been a study of both pocket-sized semi-autos and small-frame snub nose revolvers. Either type of handgun can fill the role of allowing you to be armed while minimizing the burden of carrying the gun and keeping it concealed. Beyond that, they differ quite a bit in terms of their strengths and weaknesses.<\/p> <p>There are a lot of factors we could take into account here, but if we narrow it down to the most important ones, with a snub nose, you\u2019re getting superior reliability and easier access to the gun, and with a pocket pistol, you\u2019re trading those qualities in favor of a smaller gun that\u2019s going to be easier to conceal.<\/p> <p>Before we dig into this, I want to define our terms because \u201cpocket pistol\u201d and \u201csnub nose\u201d are not clearly delineated technical terms. For the sake of this discussion, I\u2019m going to consider a pocket pistol to be any semi-auto that\u2019s roughly the size of a Glock 42 or smaller and chambered for calibers equal to or smaller than .380 ACP. Depending on who you ask, a snub nose can be any revolver with a barrel length under three inches. Today, I\u2019m talking about the more narrow sub-set of small-frame lightweight snubbies with barrels around two and a half inches or less. They will have frames made of polymer or aluminum or other lightweight alloys. Primarily, I\u2019m assuming something like a Smith &amp; Wesson J-frame Airweight or Airlite model or a Ruger LCR.<\/p> <p>I don\u2019t want to spend a whole lot of time on what I\u2019d consider to be the secondary factors when comparing pocket pistols and snubbies but I\u2019ll touch on a few of them just briefly.<\/p> <p>A lot of times, this discussion devolves into a debate about .380 ACP versus .38 Special. Historically, .38 is considered to have better ballistics. Neither of them are really outstanding, though. Of course there are other calibers in both platforms like the various .32s and .22s. They are all relatively weak and yet they all seem to work most of the time with good shot placement. I would not look to caliber as the deciding factor.<\/p> <p>I\u2019d say the same thing about ammo capacity. You\u2019ll get about 6 to 8 rounds in a pocket pistol. Most snubbies are .38s and that will only give you five shots. If that makes you uncomfortable, go to one of the .22s or .32s and you can get 6 to 8 rounds just like a semi-auto.<\/p> <p>Modern technology has allowed both pocket pistols and revolvers become much lighter in recent years. Fully loaded, pocket pistols typically weigh between 10 and 17 ounces. Polymer and alloy-framed revolvers are usually between 12 and 19 ounces. So not much difference there.<\/p> <p>If cost is a major consideration for you, then pocket pistols are going to be very appealing with prices for several decent models starting between $200 and $300. But you don\u2019t have to spend a fortune to get a snub nose, either. Basic models from Smith &amp; Wesson and Ruger usually start between $350 and $400.<\/p> <p>Shootability is that intangible quality that describes how easy it is to shoot a particular gun well. It is usually some combination of felt recoil, trigger, and ergonomics. I do think shootability is important, especially if you plan to actually practice with this gun. But with a few exceptions, both pocket pistols and snub nose revolvers together are among the least shootable handguns around. That\u2019s less the case with some of the heavier models and the lighter calibers. But overall, shootability is not the best criteria for making generalizations about these two categories.<\/p> <p>So now let\u2019s get to the major distinguishing factors. I believe the biggest advantage a snub nose revolver has over a pocket pistol is reliability. A few people might be surprised to hear me say that because, despite being a revolver enthusiast, I have often gone out of my way to point out just how unreliable they can be sometimes, especially when you compare full size revolvers to full size semi-autos. Revolvers require more maintenance to keep them running if you shoot them a lot. They don\u2019t hold up too well against hard impacts or being dropped. And new production revolvers seem to be highly prone to manufacturing defects.<\/p> <p>However, under the chaotic conditions of a real world fight, a snub nose in good condition is a lot more dependable than a small semi-auto. Like I discussed last time, small semi-autos are uniquely susceptible to feeding issues when you try to shoot them with anything other than a perfect textbook stance and grip at the shooting range. In the real world, when people get taken off guard by a deadly threat and they go for their gun, weird things happen.<\/p> <p>Here\u2019s a great example from a force-on-force exercise I observed a few months ago. This guy has just drawn his sim gun and he\u2019s shooting at an attacker and check out that that grip he\u2019s got:<\/p> <p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/bad-grip.jpg\" data-rel=\"lightbox-image-0\" data-rl_title=\"\" data-rl_caption=\"\" title=\"\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-7645\" src=\"https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/bad-grip.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1200\" height=\"675\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/bad-grip.jpg 1200w, https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/bad-grip-600x338.jpg 600w, https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/bad-grip-1024x576.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/bad-grip-768x432.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/bad-grip-350x197.jpg 350w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1200px) 100vw, 1200px\" \/><\/a><\/p> <p>He somehow managed to hook the middle finger of his firing hand around the front of the trigger guard and his support hand thumb is wrapped over top of the slide. This guy knows how to grip a gun properly, but somehow he got all tangled up during his drawstroke. By some miracle, that Simunition Glock didn\u2019t actually malfunction in that scenario, but I can almost guarantee if you tried to fire a Glock 42 or an LCP that way, you\u2019d get off one shot and then you\u2019d have a failure to extract.<\/p> <p>A lot of times, these small guns are carried deep inside a pocket or a belly band or somewhere that\u2019s not always easy to get to, and that increases your chances of getting a sub-optimal grip that could compromise the pistol\u2019s ability to operate. The revolver, on the other hand, doesn\u2019t care how you grip it, especially a double action only revolver like this one with a shrouded hammer. If you can pull the trigger, you can make it go bang. It\u2019ll fire from inside a pocket, it\u2019ll fire if it\u2019s pressed up against the guy who\u2019s got you pinned to the ground. If it\u2019s a properly functioning revolver, just about the only way to make it stop mid-fight is to grab the cylinder and keep it from turning. Otherwise, a snub nose might be one of the absolute best weapons you could have in your hand in a fight at contact distance. It\u2019s also one of the best guns you can have on you period if you need to get that gun out in a hurry. And that brings me to the next point: accessibility.<\/p> <p>This attribute is probably the one that is most often overlooked but I think it should be near the top of the list of what you look for in a carry gun. If you ever have to use your gun to defend your life, there is a very good chance you won\u2019t actually have to fire it. But you will have to get it out. You need to be able to do this without fumbling with cover garments or digging around in a pocket. I\u2019m not saying you necessarily have to have a blindingly fast drawstroke, but ideally, deploying that gun is a deliberate, practiced action you can do consistently and reasonably quickly while your brain is on auto-pilot. This is where a snubby offers some advantages thanks to the size of the grip and the overall shape of the gun.<\/p> <p>Whether it\u2019s in a belt holster, ankle holster, a pants pocket, a purse pocket, or whatever, the snub nose revolver has a grip that is easier to get your hand around. It\u2019s a larger grip than a pocket pistol, and it doesn\u2019t have this obstruction in the back created by the beavertail and the slide. So if you end up having to draw the revolver from an awkward angle, you can still get a grip on it. And again, with a double action only revolver, you don\u2019t have to worry about the back of it getting hung up if you draw it from a pocket.<\/p><p><\/p> <p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/waistband-comparison.jpg\" data-rel=\"lightbox-image-1\" data-rl_title=\"\" data-rl_caption=\"\" title=\"\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-7644\" src=\"https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/waistband-comparison.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1200\" height=\"519\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/waistband-comparison.jpg 1200w, https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/waistband-comparison-600x260.jpg 600w, https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/waistband-comparison-1024x443.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/waistband-comparison-768x332.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/waistband-comparison-360x157.jpg 360w, https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/waistband-comparison-350x151.jpg 350w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1200px) 100vw, 1200px\" \/><\/a><\/p> <p>What I really like about the snubbies is the grip angle. So if I want to go for maximum concealment with something like a belly band type holster, I can bury most of the gun way below the waistline and still have enough grip sticking up to get my fingers around the front strap and draw it the way I normally would. If I do that with a pocket pistol, I still have the back of the slide that I have to conceal and if I need to draw, I\u2019m going to have to slip my hand in between the gun and my waistband. You can certainly do that, it\u2019s just slower and less consistent.<\/p> <p>Okay, so now let me balance the reliability and accessibility argument with the issue of size. Because a carry gun doesn\u2019t do you any good if you don\u2019t actually carry it.<\/p> <p>Like I mentioned earlier, pocket pistols and snub nose revolvers are pretty close in terms of weight, but pocket pistols tend to be much smaller. If you hold a snubby up against a big pocket pistol like the Glock 42, the revolver is slightly taller and longer, and the cylinder makes it significantly wider. The difference is really stark next to a smaller pocket pistol like the Kel-Tec P32. It\u2019s not even close. I don\u2019t actually own a pair of pants that will conceal a J-frame in a front pocket without looking like I\u2019ve got a tumor growing out of my leg, but I could stick a P32 in the pocket of my gym shorts without tipping anyone off.<\/p> <p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/pistol-size-comparison.jpg\" data-rel=\"lightbox-image-2\" data-rl_title=\"\" data-rl_caption=\"\" title=\"\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-7643\" src=\"https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/pistol-size-comparison.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"1535\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/pistol-size-comparison.jpg 800w, https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/pistol-size-comparison-235x450.jpg 235w, https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/pistol-size-comparison-534x1024.jpg 534w, https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/pistol-size-comparison-768x1474.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/pistol-size-comparison-350x672.jpg 350w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\" \/><\/a><\/p> <p>Next to full size or even compact handguns, pocket pistols and snubbies are all pretty small and it might look like I\u2019m splitting hairs by making this size comparison. But depending on your situation, some seemingly minor differences in the size or shape of the gun can determine whether it\u2019s printing through your clothing or what kind of lengths you have to go to in order to make sure that gun stays concealed all day.<\/p> <p>It\u2019s really easy to be dismissive of the idea of carrying a smaller handgun when a different gun that we think of as being only marginally bigger might be a superior fighting tool. That\u2019s especially true for those of us who have the luxury of dressing like slackers most of the time and who also don\u2019t live or work in places that are hostile to concealed carry. It\u2019s common for people like us to take the myopic perspective that convenience is the only reason someone would choose to carry a smaller gun, and if you value your life more than you value comfort, you\u2019ll carry a more capable firearm.<\/p> <p>There are a lot of flaws with that line of thinking, but especially the failure to consider that everyone else\u2019s day to day reality doesn\u2019t look like yours. A few times in this series, I\u2019ve mentioned the idea of non-permissive environments. Those are places where it\u2019s not illegal to carry a gun but there could be serious consequences if someone found out you were doing it. The typical example is an employer with a strict no guns policy where you risk being fired if you violate that policy. But the situation could be a lot more subtle than that. Like, it could be a real problem if you have to dress differently than everyone around you in order to conceal your gun. You can\u2019t walk around with pants that are two sizes too big or your shirt always untucked in an office where everyone is expected to wear formal business attire.<\/p> <p>For some of you guys, your whole town or state is basically a non-permissive environment. If anyone even suspects you might have a gun on you, permit or no permit, they\u2019re calling the cops. You might not actually get arrested, but that\u2019s probably not the kind of hassle you want to deal with when you\u2019re at the dentist\u2019s office or out buying a gallon of milk.<\/p> <p>So personally, except for some very specific situations, when I want a small gun, I much prefer a snub nose because of the reliability and accessibility issues. I can find a way to conceal one in almost any environment I\u2019m going to be in and I\u2019m confident in what I can do with it. But I\u2019m not going to say they\u2019re always better because my once in a while exception scenario might be your everyday scenario. A pocket pistol that\u2019s been vetted and test fired can be pretty reliable most of the time and with a well-thought out and practiced carry method, it can be easily accessible, too.<\/p> <\/p>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>How does a pint-sized semi-auto pea shooter stack up against a stumpy snubnose wheel gun? 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