{"id":9860,"date":"2021-10-12T14:52:21","date_gmt":"2021-10-12T18:52:21","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/?p=9860"},"modified":"2021-10-21T12:37:04","modified_gmt":"2021-10-21T16:37:04","slug":"the-cheek-pistol-lets-get-weird","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/the-cheek-pistol-lets-get-weird\/","title":{"rendered":"The Cheek Pistol: Let&#8217;s Get Weird"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>&nbsp;<\/p> <p>The cheek pistol is a concept devised by our friend Rhett Neumayer, (a name that should be familiar by now if you&#8217;re a regular here). It&#8217;s a shooting technique that only works with very a specific type of large-format pistol like the KelTec CP33. The results are nothing short of impressive: rifle-like shooting performance in a package that weighs less than a 1911.<\/p> <p>Details in the video below, or scroll down to read the full transcript.<\/p> <div class=\"entry-content-asset\"><script src=\"https:\/\/fast.wistia.com\/assets\/external\/E-v1.js\" async><\/script><\/p> <noscript class=\"idle-load\"><div class=\"wistia_responsive_padding\" style=\"padding:56.25% 0 0 0;position:relative;\"> <div class=\"wistia_responsive_wrapper\" style=\"height:100%;left:0;position:absolute;top:0;width:100%;\"> <div class=\"wistia_embed wistia_async_7w4ahdtdj2 dnt=1 videoFoam=true\" style=\"height:100%;position:relative;width:100%\"> <div class=\"wistia_swatch\" style=\"height:100%;left:0;opacity:0;overflow:hidden;position:absolute;top:0;transition:opacity 200ms;width:100%;\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/fast.wistia.com\/embed\/medias\/7w4ahdtdj2\/swatch\" style=\"filter:blur(5px);height:100%;object-fit:contain;width:100%;\" alt=\"\" aria-hidden=\"true\" onload=\"this.parentNode.style.opacity=1;\" \/><\/div> <\/div> <\/div> <\/div><\/noscript> <\/div> <hr \/> <p>This is a KelTec CP33. It\u2019s a semi-automatic pistol chambered for .22 LR with 33-round quad-stack magazines. With these accessories, it weighs about 40 ounces fully loaded. It\u2019s fun. It\u2019s flimsy. It\u2019s exactly the kind of oddity we\u2019ve come to expect from the twisted minds at KelTec.<\/p> <p>Hey everybody, I\u2019m Chris Baker from <a href=\"http:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\">LuckyGunner.com<\/a> and today I am not actually reviewing the KelTec CP33. Instead, I\u2019m going to use this gun to tell you about the concept of the cheek pistol.<\/p> <p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/keltec-cp33.jpg\" data-rel=\"lightbox-image-0\" data-rl_title=\"\" data-rl_caption=\"\" title=\"\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-9866\" src=\"https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/keltec-cp33.jpg\" alt=\"keltec cp33\" width=\"1200\" height=\"675\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/keltec-cp33.jpg 1200w, https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/keltec-cp33-600x338.jpg 600w, https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/keltec-cp33-1024x576.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/keltec-cp33-768x432.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/keltec-cp33-350x197.jpg 350w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1200px) 100vw, 1200px\" \/><\/a><\/p> <p>Most people would try to shoot a gun like the CP33 as if it was a conventional pistol, or add a brace or a stock to it and shoot it like a rifle. But those are not our only options.<\/p> <p>The action extends way past the grip and it gives us enough of a shelf to get a cheek weld like we would on a rifle stock. There\u2019s enough room on the front of the gun to get an overhand grip with the support hand. That leaves just enough space in the middle for a non-magnified optic. The shooting arm elbow ends up being tucked very close to the body. You push into the cheek a little with the strong hand, and pull back with the support hand. And now you have a cheek pistol.<\/p> <p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/cp33-cheek-pistol.jpg\" data-rel=\"lightbox-image-1\" data-rl_title=\"\" data-rl_caption=\"\" title=\"\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-9867\" src=\"https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/cp33-cheek-pistol.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1200\" height=\"675\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/cp33-cheek-pistol.jpg 1200w, https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/cp33-cheek-pistol-600x338.jpg 600w, https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/cp33-cheek-pistol-1024x576.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/cp33-cheek-pistol-768x432.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/cp33-cheek-pistol-350x197.jpg 350w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1200px) 100vw, 1200px\" \/><\/a><\/p> <p>It feels a little awkward at first. It kind of looks ridiculous. You really have to try it before it clicks. This technique provides an extremely stable shooting platform.<\/p> <p>I don\u2019t miss having a shoulder stock at all. I think it actually feels <em>more<\/em> stable than shooting a rifle from a standing unsupported position, simply because it\u2019s so lightweight and none of that weight is out in front of you. The technique even works one-handed because you still get two points of contact.<\/p> <p>Some of you might have seen the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=QhfluziKZBY\" data-rel=\"lightbox-video-0\">Forgotten Weapons video<\/a> about this technique. I got the idea from the same guy that Matt and Ian talk about in that episode. Rhett Neumayer from Demonstrated Concepts is the tactical mad scientist behind the cheek pistol concept. I\u2019ve mentioned Rhett\u2019s techniques a couple of times before, like using a cheek weld to stabilize stockless shotguns and AR-style firearms that have just a buffer tube. You can see more of his stuff on the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/channel\/UC3ZSvyxYpdQOnRUseGV7lmw\">Demonstrated Concepts YouTube channel<\/a>.<\/p> <p>To say Rhett is an outside-the-box thinker would be a gross understatement. I don\u2019t always agree with his conclusions, but I think our industry needs more people like Rhett. By any standard, he\u2019s an excellent shooter with conventional guns and techniques, and he\u2019s great at experimenting with new stuff that most of us would never think of trying.<\/p> <h3><strong>Benefits of a Cheek Pistol<\/strong><\/h3> <p>Let\u2019s take a closer look at the benefits of the cheek pistol concept. And for a minute, try to forget about this particular gun. If you don\u2019t like Kel-Tec, imagine that it\u2019s made by some other company, and if you don\u2019t like .22 LR, let\u2019s pretend it\u2019s a 9mm or some other cartridge.<\/p> <p>The biggest advantage to a cheek pistol is that inside about 100 yards, you get rifle-like accuracy in a package that\u2019s not much bigger than a service-size pistol. That steel target I\u2019m ringing there is 63 yards away. That\u2019s a whole lot faster than I can hit it with a normal pistol. It\u2019s probably faster than I can hit it with most rifles, too.<\/p> <p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/cp33-steel-target.jpg\" data-rel=\"lightbox-image-2\" data-rl_title=\"\" data-rl_caption=\"\" title=\"\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-9868\" src=\"https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/cp33-steel-target.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1200\" height=\"675\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/cp33-steel-target.jpg 1200w, https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/cp33-steel-target-600x338.jpg 600w, https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/cp33-steel-target-1024x576.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/cp33-steel-target-768x432.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/cp33-steel-target-350x197.jpg 350w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1200px) 100vw, 1200px\" \/><\/a><\/p> <p>I can fit this whole gun with the optic and a sling and a handful of mags in this little Maxpedition pistol case. Or I can sling it and it hangs under my arm and out of the way or behind my back. It\u2019s a lot less obtrusive than a carbine or even an SBR.<\/p> <p>With the right cartridge, there\u2019s the obvious use case as a PDW for law enforcement and military. For things like clearing structures, mounting a cheek pistol gives you a more compact profile than you\u2019d have with any other type of firearm.<\/p> <p>For home defense, it\u2019s usually better to stay in place rather than try to clear your house alone. But if you <em>have<\/em> to move for whatever reason, there are a lot of advantages to what amounts to a handgun with the shot-placement of a shoulder-fired weapon.<\/p> <p>It also could serve as a very low profile bag gun for traveling or emergencies. A cheek pistol could probably handle a lot of pests on a farm or a ranch that you might otherwise carry around a long gun for. And If you just want to have some fun with it, a cheek pistol is an alternative to other large format pistols that really need a pistol brace or a stock to be useful.<\/p><p><\/p> <p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/cp33-slung-behind-back.jpg\" data-rel=\"lightbox-image-3\" data-rl_title=\"\" data-rl_caption=\"\" title=\"\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-9870\" src=\"https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/cp33-slung-behind-back.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1200\" height=\"675\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/cp33-slung-behind-back.jpg 1200w, https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/cp33-slung-behind-back-600x338.jpg 600w, https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/cp33-slung-behind-back-1024x576.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/cp33-slung-behind-back-768x432.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/cp33-slung-behind-back-350x197.jpg 350w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1200px) 100vw, 1200px\" \/><\/a><\/p> <h3><strong>Potential Cheek Pistol Platforms<\/strong><\/h3> <p>If you\u2019re interested in trying out the cheek pistol concept yourself, very few guns have the kind of odd shape required to make it work, so your options are limited. In addition to the KelTec CP33, Rhett has also experimented with the 9mm TP9 pistol from B&amp;T. That\u2019s a semi-auto variant of the old Steyr TMP submachine gun. Unfortunately, the base gun costs about two grand and, according to Rhett, the trigger is just horrendous.<\/p> <p>There are some other platforms that might work for a cheek pistol. Rhett is still experimenting. I might experiment with some options myself. Personally, I have not been that impressed with the CP33.<\/p> <p>This particular CP33 has not been very reliable, even by .22 standards. It\u2019s very ammo sensitive. It won\u2019t even chamber the first round in the mag most of the time. Matt Haught, in the Forgotten Weapons cheek pistol video, mentions some similar issues with his. That said, if you want to roll the dice and hope you get a reliable sample like Rhett has, I can give you a couple of tips for setting it up as a cheek pistol.<\/p> <h3><strong>Setting Up A Cheek Pistol<\/strong><\/h3> <p>First, you\u2019ll need a non-magnified dot optic and a mount. I recommend an extra tall mount like this 1.93-inch mount from SLR Rifleworks. This will allow for a more natural upright head position with your cheek weld. I tried it first with a shorter mount and it works, but it\u2019s much easier to use with the tall one.<\/p> <p>You will probably also want some kind of rail covers so you\u2019re not mashing the bare picatinny rail into your face. I got these soft rubber rail covers from Ergo Grips and cut them down to the right length.<\/p> <p>For the muzzle, I just stuck a spare A2 flash hider on here that I had laying around. It\u2019s only there to help keep my fingers clear of the muzzle.<\/p> <p>There\u2019s an MLOK slot down here beneath the barrel if you want to mount a light.<\/p> <p>For the sling, Keltec has these tiny little metal attachment points on the back of the frame. I\u2019m really not sure what kind of sling they\u2019re intended for. They might not actually be for a sling at all. Either way, no existing rifle sling hardware that I could find would fit through the tiny loops. But this Peak Design camera sling does fit. People trust these slings to support thousands of dollars worth of camera and lenses that weigh a lot more than this gun does, so I expect it to hold up fine for everyday use.<\/p> <p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/peak-design-sling.jpg\" data-rel=\"lightbox-image-4\" data-rl_title=\"\" data-rl_caption=\"\" title=\"\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-9869\" src=\"https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/peak-design-sling.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1200\" height=\"690\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/peak-design-sling.jpg 1200w, https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/peak-design-sling-600x345.jpg 600w, https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/peak-design-sling-1024x589.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/peak-design-sling-768x442.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/media\/peak-design-sling-350x201.jpg 350w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1200px) 100vw, 1200px\" \/><\/a><\/p> <h3><strong>Final Thoughts<\/strong><\/h3> <p>The cheek pistol concept is an excellent idea. It\u2019s a surprisingly effective shooting technique. I would love to see the hardware catch up to that concept. The lack of reliable gun options is really the limiting factor here. Long term, I think it could be a serious game changer, especially if someone actually made a gun designed from the ground up to be a cheek pistol.<\/p> <p>In addition to all of this mad scientist stuff, Rhett Neumayer also teaches concealed handgun permit classes in the Denver, CO area completely for free. He does that just as a service to his community because statistically, the people most likely to need a concealed handgun are those least likely to be able to afford it. I didn\u2019t tell him I was going to do this, but if you want to support that effort, head over to the <a href=\"https:\/\/demonstratedconcepts.com\/\">Demonstrated Concepts website<\/a> and click the donation button. And if you have any allowance money left after that, be sure to buy some ammo with lightning fast shipping from us at <a href=\"https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\">Lucky Gunner<\/a>.<\/p> <\/p>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>&nbsp; The cheek pistol is a concept devised by our friend Rhett Neumayer, (a name that should be familiar by &#8230; <a class=\"read-more\" href=\"https:\/\/www.luckygunner.com\/lounge\/the-cheek-pistol-lets-get-weird\/\">Continued<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":4,"featured_media":9865,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[6],"tags":[64,20,17,108],"class_list":["post-9860","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-toolbox","tag-22-lr","tag-home-defense","tag-self-defense","tag-technique"],"acf":[],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v25.9 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>The Cheek Pistol: Let&#039;s Get Weird - 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