It’s Wheel Gun Wednesday! This series is devoted to exploring the deeper issues of using a revolver for self-defense – both the good and the bad. Today I’m continuing the “Quest for the Ideal Carry Revolver” that I started last month. Be sure to check out part one if you missed it!
The Quest Continues
What’s the downside to ditching a modern double-stack semi-automatic as an everyday carry pistol in favor of a revolver? You lose ammo capacity and the ability to reload quickly, but is that all you have to give up? And what advantages might be had by carrying and training with the revolver that we don’t normally think of? That’s what I aim to find out in searching for a carry revolver to temporarily replace my trusty S&W M&P 9mm compact.
The M&P9c is easy to carry and I can shoot it almost as well as a full size. I want a revolver that’s analogous to that with comparable size and weight, so I’ve started my search with mid-size carry revolvers in the 20-30 ounce range. Unfortunately, the options in this category are limited. Most lighter revolvers are the small-frame featherweights that are made to carry a lot and shoot very little. Mid-size revolvers tend to be constructed from steel, and even the shorter barrel models often tip the scales at more than 36 ounces.
Fortunately, there are a few options in between these two extremes. I’ve identified a handful that I’m testing out over the next several weeks. I’ll be continuing our series with a quick profile of each revolver on the list along with some of my first impressions. After I’ve had a chance to run each of them through their paces, I’ll summarize my findings and pick a “winner” to run through some drills and tests to see how it measures up against a semi-auto in every imaginable respect.
Let’s take a look at our first challenger…
Smith & Wesson 386
Starting in the late 90s, Smith & Wesson released several mid and large frame lightweight revolvers in .357 magnum, as well as some of the larger calibers like .44 magnum and .45 ACP. Most of these models have disappeared from Smith’s catalog in the last few years, but they’re available on the secondary market if you’re patient and willing to pay close to the original MSRP.
The larger alloy revolvers built on the S&W N-frame are too wide to be comfortable for my preferred method of appendix carry, so that leaves the model 386 — a medium L-frame .357 magnum. You’re probably familiar with the steel L-frames like the S&W 686, but the 386 series are mostly known only to more dedicated revolver aficionados. High price tags, low sales for revolvers in general, and S&W’s confusingly broad product catalog were all likely factors that prevented the 386 from ever taking off. Interest in revolvers has rebounded in the last couple of years, and prices on the used market are quickly rising for many discontinued S&W models, including the 386.
There have been a handful of variants of the 386, each with a different set of features. The last to cease production was the 386 XL Hunter, but its 6” barrel means it’s not a candidate for concealed carry. The 386PD and 386 Mountain Lite both have short barrels and titanium cylinders in addition to their lightweight alloy frames. That means they weigh in at under 19 ounces each, and I want a little more heft than that to help tame the recoil of a fighting revolver.
That leaves the 386 Nightguard and the 386 Sc/S. Both have 2.5-inch barrels, Scandium alloy frames, and 7-shot steel cylinders. The Nightguard is equipped with a tritium front sight and a Cylinder and Slide rear sight and weighs 24.5 ounces. The Sc/S (for Scandium and Steel) is very similar, but has the traditional S&W adjustable sights and weighs 21.2 ounces.
I actually owned a 386 Night Guard not too long ago, and it was even featured on the Lounge once. But I got frustrated with trying to find a suitable holster for it and eventually sold it. Now that I’m taking a fresh approach to this revolver thing, I wish I hadn’t. None of the models in the discontinued Night Guard series are particularly easy to come by, and I really liked the large XS tritium front sight combined with the more traditional rear notch. When I started looking a few weeks ago, I wasn’t able to find another 386 Night Guard at a price I was willing to pay, but I did come across an Sc/S priced at $750. Not cheap for a carry gun, but a fair deal compared to the prices the other 386 models have been fetching recently on the used market.
Let’s see how it measures up to the criteria I laid out last time:
- Size & Capacity: I initially specified mid-size frame, 2-3 inch barrel with a 6 or 7 shot cylinder, which describes the Sc/S perfectly.
- Weight: The 21.2 ounce unloaded weight falls inside my 20-30 ounce target and is closer in weight to my 21.7 ounce M&P9c than any of the other revolvers on my list.
- Caliber: My preferred choice of .38 Special +P will work fine in this .357 magnum.
- Action: In the end, I’d like a smooth double action with a bobbed hammer. The Sc/S needs some help here. I wasn’t expecting to find a bobbed hammer out of the box, and like many stock S&W revolvers, the action on the 386 Sc/S isn’t anywhere close to what I’d call “smooth”.
- Sights: This is where a lot of revolvers fall short. I want large, highly visible sights, preferably with low light capability like a tritium or fiber optic insert. The adjustable stock sights on the Sc/S aren’t bad, but could be better. They’re plenty usable at the range, but not good for much in low light. Fortunately, they’re easily replaced.
- Aftermarket Support: The Sc/S has been out of production for a few years now, but it’s compatible with most any standard S&W L-frame parts and accessories, which are plentiful.
I’ve got a lot more shooting to do with this and the other revolvers on my list before I give my final thoughts, but I’ve had a chance to run a few hundred rounds through the Sc/S and have some initial impressions.
On the positive side, the alloy frame is really nice. It’s impressive that a revolver this large can feel so light on my belt. Without the reciprocating slide absorbing some of the force, felt recoil and muzzle rise are both more pronounced with the 386 than with a 9mm autoloader of equal weight. That said, it wasn’t difficult to manage, and with target loads, certainly easier to shoot than an alloy J-frame, or even a small single stack 9mm.
I’ve mostly been using .38 Special American Eagle 130 grain FMJ, which are fairly soft shooting anyway, but I’ve also run a small assortment of +P rounds, and recoil is still controllable. There’s definitely some discomfort during rapid fire strings with the +P loads, but the shot timer tells me I’m not any slower than with the standard ammo. But that might change as I get in more practice. At this point in my skill development with the wheel gun, I think the time taken to manipulate the double action trigger is more of a speed bottleneck than recoil management.
Thanks to the robust aftermarket support for S&W L-frame revolvers, I’ve got a lot of choices for grips. I’ve been experimenting with different “boot grips” that don’t extend past the bottom of the grip frame for maximum concealment. The Hogue finger groove grips that came with the 386 Sc/S weren’t working for me as I demonstrated in this post, but aftermarket groove-less grips are not as common as I was hoping. I’ve got a few more sets of grips on the way, but so far the inexpensive Pacymayr compact grips are working better than expected.
The search for a holster isn’t going quite as well. Having had the same problem when I owned the 386 NG, I knew this would be an issue. It’s not that there aren’t any holsters made for short barreled L-frames, but very few of them are designed with appendix carry in mind.
You might be wondering why I don’t just switch to behind the hip carry. I don’t know if you’ve seen any of the photos of me on the blog, but my body doesn’t exactly come equipped with a whole lot of extra padding. Carrying a hard metal object so that it rests directly against my hip bone all day is kind of a drag. And since I always carry my M&P and other semi-autos in the appendix position, changing my carry method would defeat the purpose of the project anyway. So I now have my third L-Frame appendix IWB Kydex holster on order. The first two were well made, but in both cases, the ride height was way too high. It placed the end of the grip just under my ribcage when standing — too high for a rapid draw stroke and an even bigger impediment to effective concealment.
Someone is sure to mention the S&W internal lock on this gun. I’ve already given my two cents on that issue, so I won’t go into detail. I don’t like the lock on principle or in practice, but I don’t think it’s necessarily a deal breaker. Other potential negatives for the 386 Sc/S are the partial length ejector rod and the aforementioned gritty trigger, but I’ll have to run a few more practice sessions with this gun to determine whether they end up being an actual detriment to performance.
So right off the bat, the 386 is clearly not without its flaws. But it can still boast a unique set of features not found any many other revolvers. I might have to tweak a few things here and there, but in the long run, the combination of a 7-shot capacity, light weight, and shootability might make the 386 one of the best mid-size carry revolvers ever made.
Of course, it’s got some stiff competition. Out of the candidates I’ve chosen to test so far, this is the only “oddball”. Most of the others are fairly predictable if you’re an experienced revolver enthusiast. So if an aluminum 7-shooter doesn’t do anything for you, just stay tuned for next week’s selection…
17 thoughts on “Smith & Wesson 386: The Best Revolver You’ve Never Heard Of”
I carry a 325PD in a cross-draw holster turning the grip to the front makes it easy to conceal and the light weight of the scandium frame makes it light to carry.Nothing says F&%# Off like a 45.
As an ardent longtime carrier of S&W revolvers of all sizes, I’d suggest “K” frame round-butt magna/service stocks (the “K” and “L” frames share common grip profiles) and a Tyler T-grip. Great feeling and compact. This is my 3″ 65 with this setup.
Bring back the six-shot .32 J-frame.
A 6-shot J-frame .327 mag would be sweet if it was a more common caliber.
Agree. But I’ll happily handload my own.
Great article. I’m looking forward to seeing what you other choice is, and how your modifications work out on the 386. I’m guessing a set of Meprolight night sights is on order to make low-light shooting easier. You’re lucky that the front blade is pinned in. That should make a swap much easier.
I feel no need to “carry” so my choice is a bed side Judge.
Why no mention of the awkward care & maintenance procedures for scandium?
Because this is a “first impressions” that was already at 1800 words. I’ll get to that later in the series. Here’s a preview: “keep it clean and don’t fire magnums.”
The reasons you gave for medium weight revolver w/ 6 or 7 capacity is precisely why I carry a Glock 36 w/ XS Big Dot Sights. It carries 7 rounds of .45acp hp 185 gr ripping & tearing anything the bullet encounters. S&W combat revolvers are hard to find in my part of Texas and command a very high price.
Great article & I look forward to your weekly views. Thanks
Let’s see here, the other possibilities are kind of limited:
– The Charter Arms Police Undercover is a small frame, as is the Armscor M206 (which is also only rated for limited +P usage).
– The Chiappa Rhino 20D, 20DS, and Poly-Lite 20DS are a bit pricey and cut for moon clips (but their use isn’t required). After market support comes only from Chiappa to the best of my knowledge.
– The Rossi 461/462 and Taurus 617 might be the next best choices, but both weight more, and I know many people don’t care for these two brands.
Also, everything I have listed has fixed sights. I am starting to think you may have already identified your winner.
For an IWB Appendix kydex holster check out Dale Fricke holsters…. one of my favorite IWB Appendix carry; for leather holsters Milt Sparks holster Summer Special…but be prepared for a wait. When I carry a revolver…I seem to always favor the Ruger SP101 3″….. or the newer 4.25″ barrel. They carry very well but with the 3-4″ barrel they are a bit easier to shoot than the 2″. I also have a S&W 19 K-comp..3″ barrel, 6 shots…. but bulkier cylinder is just not as comfortable as the SP101 when carrying on long days.
Thanks for the suggestions. The holster I have on the way is from Dale Fricke. What makes the 3-4″ easier in the SP101? Sight radius, less recoil, or both?
Chris, The 3-4″ barrel give a better sight radius….an a bit less recoil…so yes both that you listed. Seems like the sight picture/alignment is a bit easier for longer shots… as my SP101 is truely my perfect packing pistol/revolver….more than enough for close in self defense stuff…yet accurate enough for a coyote or badger at 50+ yds. It has become my go everywhere revolver when up at my Montana place….. but when going south for the winter…. well that’s another story for later on.
Thanks, Mike. I was trying to decide between the 3″ SP101 and the 2.25″ one with a bobbed hammer. I opted for neither, and picked up the 2.25″ Wiley Clapp edition because of the improved sights. Deciding factor ended up being holsters… couldn’t find one I like for the 3″ version. http://www.luckygunner.com/lounge/ruger-sp-101-the-shooters-snub-nose/
Love my Night Guard model 357 .41 mag. I always wanted a .41 and when I shot my brother’s Night Guard in the .44 spc. I knew I wanted the NG. I am still looking for a holster for it. May have to end up having one custom made. Also not sure about which speed loader to use. I contacted S&W and they didn’t know which speed loader to use.
Interesting article, I bought a 325 Nightguard as a motorcycle vest carry piece. I love the 6 round .45 ACP capacity and power. I compete in IDPA CDP with a Kimberly Super Match, so .45 ACP R Me.
Shot a BUG match with it and raised some eyebrows but folks couldn’t wait to shoot it at end of match.
Couldn’t find holsters for 2-inch N-frame so turned to Rust Sherrick in Elizabethtown PA. What an amazing holstersmith and a wonderful man and Vietnam Combat Veteran. He crafted me a paddle holster and an inside the pocket holster. Magnificent workmanship and a pleasure to carry.